@protoman23I never gave my altitude advantage up. I defended myself from the miniguns.
The point was not fighting the Hind exclusively, that is why I had the 30 mm, to support infantry and cap to turn the game around, as I saw two steps ahead, and not the Hind as the one and only threat. If that was the case, I could sneak on him and use the TOW missile for big damage. The 30 mm were the reason why I relied on the Lock on rockets, which I did from the right distance, and that is obviously why I relied on that.
One thing the video doesn't show well is that I tried to kill the engineers repairing the Hind with the 30 mm, and that is something you cannot do with the HMG.
Anyway, if the Hind was an event, which in this case it was, like the big and final boss, sure, we could all hack and stick 8 AA rockets on it instead of the HMG, or I could go with the HMG.
But then what? What about the infantry? How do we win the game? It is not about me, I did not make the Hind my one and only target, it was just a video I happened to clip because the jet was doing God's work there, I played by the book with my setup of choice, and with the Wildcat (and the Tank for a bit), it should be enough (if programmers at Dice knew how to code, there is a 60%-70% or so chance the story could be different), so it seemed like this video shows that the Hind is OP. It was not a lack of teamwork. We are not talking about chosing the best weapons to fight a transport helicopter. We are talking about how the TRANSPORT helicopter outperforms three vehicles, one of them the anti air of choice. I could shoot popcorn or yell expletives at him. If I am the attack helicopter, with the jet and Wildcat, on my side, a transport helicopter should never do what it did. It is a design flaw they refuse to fix.
The whole point is: The Hind should not be an event. The next Hind would spawn in two minutes. The name of the game is not "Team vs Hind". Just look at the score and think about the rationale. Notice that we gotta cap some flags! Like, right now! As I said, their Wildcat was at B1 spawn trapping our vehicles. They abused the position because we had almost nothing. As soon as we got a flag, we lost it. 15 minutes like that, over and over. We needed to gain some ground, and I CANNOT chose the HMG over the 30 mm, which I could use to kill an engineer, the source of the abuse, and then kill some infantry.
But... our team has a Condor, and their team has a Hind. It is not balanced. It is a freaking damn transport helicopter! It doesn't work. It is ridiculous!
The game should not be like that.
I sure hope someone at DICE don't think I am just a whinny loser with a skill issue more than anything. It looks to me, since rockets were missed, that in this game where you climb buildings with Hovercrafts and you have Condors vs Hind, that the game has issues. Maybe it is just me... You can look around for other posts complaining about the Hind, or about the game itself. But thanks for trying to teach me which is the best weapon to kill a helicopter, which is in the description of the HMG.
@ATFGunrWe could have two engineers with AA, but... 3 attack vehicles (four if you count the tank) vs one TRANSPORT and we could still use more people? At this rate we lose beacons, medics, anti tanks, flags. The whole team would be fighting the Hind. This should never be needed.
If it was me, I would do four things:
1) Reduce vertical speed/climb, which would result in slower horizontal movement.
2) Reduce miniguns reach from 300 to 250 m and add higher spread over distance. Still good enough, aligned with the transport role and firepower around the flag range.
3) Return 50 mm "clip size" to 8 bullets.
4) Limit how high the miniguns can aim, so that in a straight zero degree horizontal flight, it would aim to maximum of 30 degrees down (but I'd test it out and start with 10 degrees to see how it goes).
No change to repairs. No change to health.
Of course, the AA rockets have to be fixed (vs Hinds, Nightbird's, whatever). They have to work as intended, the AA-IR and FXM-33 Stinger have to hit, simple as that, and even do some splash damage in a late flare. They have to outperform Liz in the Anti Air task, and she is, anecdotally, the AA weapon of choice ATM.
The expected result: Hinds would not chase attack vehicles anymore, outperforming them in speed and firepower. They would retain the current health, to last as a transport vehicle and run away, slowly, but with enough health, when necessary. It would be balanced with the Condor. Finally, it would function like a transport vehicle, with adequate firepower vs infantry. With more spread on the miniguns, the closer, the better, i.e., the more it is playing the objective (flag) and the transport role, the better it will, hence, players will be rewarded by playing the transport role.
BTW, someone from DICE posted something on Twitter. DICE heard us and will be doing something, saying the feedback was definitely "ABOVE THE RADAR", and I just hope it is not a funny tip for a possible removal of the "below radar" mechanic, which fix nothing. Rockets were not few against the Hind, and the Hind in the video did not take advantage of the "below radar" mechanic AT ALL. On the contrary: The Hind wanted to be high, not low. Below radar is not the root cause of anything there.
Community ManagerHi all,
Just wanted to mention that this feedback has been passed on to the teams.
The Condor is the flagship vehicle for this game, but the Hind is the real MVP a flying battleship.
Personally I think the game would play out far better without either vehicle and replaced with standard helicopters like the Blackhawk or KA-60. Lightly armoured troop transports designed to ferry troops point to point.
