Hey guys I have a crazy idea. Instead of blaming the specialists for no teamwork, how bout we blame the battlefield community that seems to forget that teamwork is essential. Crazy idea I know.

Well yes, you are 100 percent correct, BUT specialist does not PROMOTE teamwork. AS a specialist you can manage it all by youself.The class system in previous games worked towards promoting teamwork hence you could not give ammo to youself while also firing AT rockets and heal yourself.Besides who finds it immersive playing against 63 woody lookalikes ....

With all due respect, you’re lying to yourself if you think the classes promoted teamwork. The same problems I face now happened in every battlefield game with classes. They are just exasperated more in this title. Medics in older titles would just run past you, support wouldn’t drop ammo no matter if you shot them or talked to them in chat. The only classes that did play teamwork were recon and engineer and those classes were more solo orientated

@Lancelot_du_LacThe interest in BF is still out there, I think if they had included the so called legacy features (or as we call it, Battlefield) they would have had a huge hit. Sure hit reg, and a bunch of other bugs would have been present, and anybody who suffered through 3 and onwards would have known and bitched about it, but still bought the game and played it. Instead we lost all but the most very hardcore BF gamers (and possibly also foolish, I’m still thinking about that) by abandoning almost everything that makes BF, BF. EA has no idea how many people want a return to the glory days of BF. The old guard is still out there, and has way more disposable income than when they were younger. They may want some new players to join, but it’s the old ones with the money, honey. EA will never know how much they lost by mismanaging this game and release.

Believe it or not, the specialist system and the class system are very similar. The only thing that separates them are the unique gadgets and names. As for me personally I don’t mind the specialists and I kinda like them ( this a sin in battlefield community apparently). Would I rather have classes back, yes but at the same time I don’t want them to remove specialists. I hope DICE sees this and takes the Star Wars Battlefront 2 approach in which you have your main classes but then you can select the specialists if you want.

@ElliotLH Ye, the folks that just grab an ammo kit and play solo are deeply frustrating.I usually play Falck (since I play medic mostly) and I like her kit - I res folks frequently (at my own risk most of the time) and spend a lot of time healing. It's solid and being able to heal at range is great.It's just a shame there's not more to encourage specialist diversity to create more teamplay opportunities. The tools are all there for interesting interactions between specialist skills or their skills and gadgets. There's just no real systems to highlight those options or reward players for using them. Which would be complex to set up, and given that we don't even have a properly functioning scoring system like in past BF games is likely unreasonable.Shame, because the teamplay options are potentially amazing.

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TAW_Rinko
4 years ago
@acousticxero wrote:
Hey guys I have a crazy idea. Instead of blaming the specialists for no teamwork, how bout we blame the battlefield community that seems to forget that teamwork is essential. Crazy idea I know.
Here's another crazy idea, how about Dice reinstate the core mechanisms that allow team play.
How about, first off, the ability to actually play as a team. Because, as things stand, Dice have limited us to only playing with three friends. Dice have also removed VOIP, so no help there. They haven't implemented a proper squad system, or a way to spawn in intelligently, or to change sides if you end up away from your team mates. There's no server browser, so you cant reliably get more than a few friends on an AOW server.
At every turn Dice have chosen to * team play, but you think its players who are responsible.
Possibly the worst take I've seen on these fora.
TAW_Rinko
4 years ago
@ATFGunr wrote:
@Lancelot_du_LacThe interest in BF is still out there, I think if they had included the so called legacy features (or as we call it, Battlefield) ....
I strongly suggest we stop using the term legacy to describe core features.
Legacy is PR speak to try to reframe these mechanisms as optional.
They are core mechanisms, and their absence is a huge deal.
ElliotLH
Hero+
4 years ago
@skullcracker2378 You can indeed but a lot of people would argue that doing so has very little benefit overall.
ATFGunr
Legend
4 years ago
@TAW_Rinko Agreed, hence my use of “so called”. They are critical to the past years of success and as they’ve hopefully noticed, still critical to the player base.
GrizzGolf
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
What's a medic?
solidsouthcentr
4 years ago
@acousticxero I really think that VOIP will get a lot of people back. They will see that it is all still there just better. VoIP should have never been left out.
Lancelot_du_Lac
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@solidsouthcentra I have my doubts, but we shall see. If it doesn't, what does that say about the current player-base?
Noodlesocks
4 years ago
@solidsouthcentra wrote:
@acousticxeroI really think that VOIP will get a lot of people back. They will see that it is all still there just better. VoIP should have never been left out.
I doubt it will bring people back and unless it is proximity chat, it's not going to do much at all for teamwork when there isn't even any squad management in the game.
Lancelot_du_Lac
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@TAW_Rinko Maybe it was a roundabout way of saying that fans who want these features are 'legacy' players!
Skill4Reel
4 years ago
@edgecrusherO0 wrote:
@acousticxeroHow do I downvote a thread, because I'm downvoting this hard. Blaming the players for failures in design from DICE is just lame, dude. Very lame. Not cool at all.
Are the Specialists making people camp in their spawns with vehicles or on hilltops far away from the objectives just as they were doing in BF3, BF4 and BF1? What about all of the rooftop camping from defenders on Breakthrough when the capture/defend area is on the ground? I saw the same things from players in Rush when playing BF4 years ago.

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