The BSV is overpowered
Do I really need to explain why a gun shouldn't get a 3 hit kill fire mode you can fire as fast as you can with full auto and a silencer
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Versatility is cool, but it is not OP. K30 still destroys it in CQC and basically all Assault Rifles at mid-range. As a DMR, there are better options.
i like it because with the plus system i can change things up to the weapon i need without messing with my loadouts. it's not the best at anything but it works reasonably well in most situations
IT is not OP. It's versatile for a lot of situations. Still losing gunfights to the K30 at range, which is the real tragedy.
It is over powered. the Damage is stupid and no recoil is just broken. Everyone is rocking it because it is broken Streamers and youtubers are saying its broken. Sad to see it being the new meta everyone rocking the same gun with the copy paste attachments that makes it 3 bullet kill. Keep digging EA you really have broken and cash grabbed this game
Oh well if the youtubers and streamers say its broken it must be true 🙄
@sykoticzau wrote:It is over powered. the Damage is stupid and no recoil is just broken. Everyone is rocking it because it is broken Streamers and youtubers are saying its broken. Sad to see it being the new meta everyone rocking the same gun with the copy paste attachments that makes it 3 bullet kill. Keep digging EA you really have broken and cash grabbed this game
"streamers think this is true so it must be" is as invalid an argument as "MSM says this thing is true so it must be". streamers are just players that let people watch their game. they are not special in any way. and perhaps the reason so many people are using the new gun...is it's new?
*edit* think not thing
K30 needs the nerf WORSE honestly. But I will agree. It needs something to change it a little. Maybe a little more horizontal recoil?
It has enough recoil for a normal player to not land every shot in rapid fire.
It certainly has no recoil though from the PoV of a level 100 colonel player
@Psubond wrote:
@sykoticzau wrote:It is over powered. the Damage is stupid and no recoil is just broken. Everyone is rocking it because it is broken Streamers and youtubers are saying its broken. Sad to see it being the new meta everyone rocking the same gun with the copy paste attachments that makes it 3 bullet kill. Keep digging EA you really have broken and cash grabbed this game
"streamers think this is true so it must be" is as invalid an argument as "MSM says this thing is true so it must be". streamers are just players that let people watch their game. they are not special in any way. and perhaps the reason so many people are using the new gun...is it's new?
*edit* think not thing
But players with sub 1.5 KD and sub 0.5 KPM sure knows if it's op or not
- @sykoticzau Have heard this complaint in the forums since BF2. It's just a new toy that all the kids want to play with. I'm starting to see the same thing with the Crossbow, as more people unlock it.
I've only just unlocked it, so I don't have the high powered rounds, and I am regularly melted by Assault rifles at all distances.
Wait until more new guns are added (fingers crossed) - usage will settle down as players move to the next new thing. - @ironhead84 @Psubond if that is all you got out of it then go with that.
we should remember that streamers are not the average player
to have success your job, i think you need to be more than better than an average player to get views
also, if you have chosen this for you job and you are playing nearly every day for many hours (which keeps you on track with your skill)
also, to get this weapon to get as versatile mentioned here, you need at least 240 for the first good extended mag
let’s do some math, how many kills an average player gets in a round? 10 to 15?
So, a normal player needs around 10-15 games and if you not playing the whole day, it would take at least 4 -5 games
But I think most of the average player don’t get such amount of kills every round so it takes even longer, so I think they need several days if they play 2h a day
I played this weapon a good amount of time and as many have said if you get in a face-to-face CQC nearly every SMG\Assault can outplay you
Also, I didn’t get the 240+ kills yet 😉
Yes, this weapon is versatile but I think it is not overpowered
At the moment I play the crossbow and I think if this weapons spreads more the complains getting bigger with their one shot headshots 😉
@CountSero wrote:we should remember that streamers are not the average player
to have success your job, i think you need to be more than better than an average player to get views
also, if you have chosen this for you job and you are playing nearly every day for many hours (which keeps you on track with your skill)
also, to get this weapon to get as versatile mentioned here, you need at least 240 for the first good extended mag
let’s do some math, how many kills an average player gets in a round? 10 to 15?
So, a normal player needs around 10-15 games and if you not playing the whole day, it would take at least 4 -5 games
But I think most of the average player don’t get such amount of kills every round so it takes even longer, so I think they need several days if they play 2h a day
I played this weapon a good amount of time and as many have said if you get in a face-to-face CQC nearly every SMG\Assault can outplay you
Also, I didn’t get the 240+ kills yet 😉
Yes, this weapon is versatile but I think it is not overpowered
At the moment I play the crossbow and I think if this weapons spreads more the complains getting bigger with their one shot headshots 😉
or you can just make a single player lobby and farm the attachments relatively quickly.
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:It has enough recoil for a normal player to not land every shot in rapid fire.
It certainly has no recoil though from the PoV of a level 100 colonel player
sir, your bucket is full, time for the OP to empty it
@sykoticzau wrote:
@ironhead84@Psubondif that is all you got out of it then go with that.the opinion of streamers and youtubers is no more valid than any other player. *they are not special*
T1'd it yesterday, fun gun.
Exactly, I don't understand why people think streamer/YouTubers opinions are somehow more valid than any other paying customer.
- @protoman23 maybe but i don't do this, i unlock my things in regular games
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@Psubond wrote:
@sykoticzau wrote:It is over powered. the Damage is stupid and no recoil is just broken. Everyone is rocking it because it is broken Streamers and youtubers are saying its broken. Sad to see it being the new meta everyone rocking the same gun with the copy paste attachments that makes it 3 bullet kill. Keep digging EA you really have broken and cash grabbed this game
"streamers think this is true so it must be" is as invalid an argument as "MSM says this thing is true so it must be". streamers are just players that let people watch their game. they are not special in any way. and perhaps the reason so many people are using the new gun...is it's new?
*edit* think not thing
But players with sub 1.5 KD and sub 0.5 KPM sure knows if it's op or not
And your anectodal evidence and blanket generalization is more valid than his complaint? Riiight...
The BSV definitely isn't balanced well against other DMRs. The Dm7 is hugely outclassed by it across all ranges. The DMRs in general are poor representations of what they should be seeing they're precision weapons and all, but you wouldn't guess that seeing how unrealistic they are in terms of accuracy or damage.
Bottom line here: Weapon balance is a problem and the BSV doesn't help things. At all. I've been playing BF games since the very first one and in my personal opinion, this is right up there with worst of the series. It barely squeaks in before the travesty that was Hardline.
@Ghostrider0067 wrote:@InS_Hypno wrote:
@Psubond wrote:
@sykoticzau wrote:It is over powered. the Damage is stupid and no recoil is just broken. Everyone is rocking it because it is broken Streamers and youtubers are saying its broken. Sad to see it being the new meta everyone rocking the same gun with the copy paste attachments that makes it 3 bullet kill. Keep digging EA you really have broken and cash grabbed this game
"streamers think this is true so it must be" is as invalid an argument as "MSM says this thing is true so it must be". streamers are just players that let people watch their game. they are not special in any way. and perhaps the reason so many people are using the new gun...is it's new?
*edit* think not thing
But players with sub 1.5 KD and sub 0.5 KPM sure knows if it's op or not
And your anectodal evidence and blanket generalization is more valid than his complaint? Riiight...
The BSV definitely isn't balanced well against other DMRs. The Dm7 is hugely outclassed by it across all ranges. The DMRs in general are poor representations of what they should be seeing they're precision weapons and all, but you wouldn't guess that seeing how unrealistic they are in terms of accuracy or damage.
Bottom line here: Weapon balance is a problem and the BSV doesn't help things. At all. I've been playing BF games since the very first one and in my personal opinion, this is right up there with worst of the series. It barely squeaks in before the travesty that was Hardline.
1) that tracking website doesn't track everything properly and those numbers are low
2) i spend most of my time hunting vehicles and using soflam.
3) after exposure released i spend a lot of time using rao to keep the helos off the objectives and irish to keep the grenades off my team mates/objectives
"1) that tracking website doesn't track everything properly and those numbers are low"
Weird it was working perfect in BFV
"2) i spend most of my time hunting vehicles and using soflam.
3) after exposure released i spend a lot of time using rao to keep the helos off the objectives and irish to keep the grenades off my team mates/objectives"
Which reinforce my point that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to gun balance
I want the K30 to stop being a sniper rifle
@PsubondFair enough.
I'm not a vehicle hunter but will engage them as I need and if I'm carrying the right anti-vehicle equipment. I tend to focus on anti infantry for the most part. I don't really use vehicles either and don't fly unless thrown.
Rao and Irish are two of my mains as well. Both are highly effective and especially now. I wonder how things will go moving forward as to whether another operator is drawn into the meta once the game is further updated.
@InS_Hypno wrote:"1) that tracking website doesn't track everything properly and those numbers are low"
Weird it was working perfect in BFV
"2) i spend most of my time hunting vehicles and using soflam.
3) after exposure released i spend a lot of time using rao to keep the helos off the objectives and irish to keep the grenades off my team mates/objectives"
Which reinforce my point that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to gun balance
because BFV is the same game right? it worked perfectly on that game so it MUST work perfectly on this one. i have 110+ mastery on stingers and 60+ on anti tank mines and i forget what my mastery is on the c5 and M5....but 3 vehicles destroyed. yep sounds like it works fine. same with my hours played... what reason do i have to trust a third party site for stats when they are so obviously wrong?
and i stand by my original statement on my thoughts on the gun. i think you are just whining because you don't like it and your favorite weapon isn't the shiny new toy so not everyone is using it. that gun isn't the best at anything. it is a jack of all trades and a master of none. it is not overpowered. it offers flexibility but doesn't out perform anything in the role that you can swap it to other than maybe DMRs.
just because i'm not a COD TDM type player doesn't mean i don't understand gun balance. what are YOUR credentials to be considered an expert on gun balance?
Let's be honest here. Every time new weapons are added to any game there are tweaks made once they get enough data to see how it is performing. I doubt this time will be any different. Not all tweaks are nerfs or buffs, just bringing the weapon into a normal range with the rest of the weapons in the game. Do I think the BSV is OP, no Do I think it needs some adjustments, yes. I don't have any credentials as an expert but I have been playing video games since the 70s and have seen this before. 😛
New weapons, vehicles, gadgets, etc. are almost always released overpowered and then toned down later. Its part of the marketing angle when there is a featured update like a new season. Especially if there is potential for people to buy them (or indirectly buy them via tier skips, etc.)
On more than one ocassion DICE released a new MTX cosmetic skin in BFV that just happened to render the player invisible for a few days/weeks until they got around to patching it. Coincidence? Maybe.
VSS seems very versatile in any combat situation. I don't view the weapon as OP. The problem with VSS is blatant called universal setup Falk + Ammo Bag + VSS/Angel + Medbag with High Power 11 rounds in hands of a skilled player, 44 ammo in total. Let`s imagine AS VAL or M16A3 + med bag + ammo pouch SPECIALIST in BF3 in 2011.
That is why I`m for Classes at least in Conquest, not META Builds.
