This was the single worst, game breaking decision this company has made in this games history. Watching people literally defy gravity, jumping from the top of a freaking cargo unit and flying UPWARD to another is just stupid. Then to make matters worse, it literally takes ZERO skill and planning in other modes. You just jump off a hill and fly to the other side of the map.FLIGHT SUITS DONT WORK THAT WAY. You are breaking the laws of gravity AND physics with this stupid thing. I know you people are too woke to remove it, god forbid you make the game a level playing field for EVERYONE, right? But it better not be in any future BF games or im done with this stupid franchise.

Gents while I too dislike how the wing suit and the grappling hook completely break the flow of Battle and destroy map design I must reiterate to keep the political comments out of the forum. You can completely destroy something like the wing suit with facts and examples while refraining from making political commentary that will result in the thread being locked.

@DaRougaroux It definitely should not be in the next Battlefield game. It completely breaks balancing. You can spend a few minutes clearing an objective, and then while you're running to the next, you see Sundance flying right back to that cleared objective.Being able to jump off of anything and go across the map is just baffling game design. The flip thing is also very obnoxious looking. I'm pretty sure they put it into the game solely to make the trailer look "cool".

@DaRougaroux While I don't disagree, and the flight suit + Mackay's grapple really break a lot of the game and map flow and all...Bros please stop talking like BF has ever been a realistic sim that respects the laws of gravity and physics. Yeah, it has some bullet travel time and drop and all but part of the core identify of the franchise is realistically impossible BS like rendezook.What does "woke" have to do with removing the wingsuit? Are wingsuits woke now? Did I miss when there was a meeting where we decided wingsuits are woke now?Ya'll "anti-woke" folks need to quiet down, y'all are more obnoxious than the folks you complain about.(bonus points for complaining about Sundance's wingsuit, and not the fact that DICE pointlessly made them non-binary and might not even remember if they did that. I still 'member the early dev streams where they forgot that they made Sundance a they/them and keep calling them she/her)

@DaRougaroux I agree that a wingsuit shouldn’t be in the game, anymore than the grapple should. I disagree about the level of skill needed for the suit, the bloody thing isn’t all that easy to master. It’s flight control is the exact opposite of a vehicle, so your muscle memory for flying helps you zero, maybe even makes it worse to fly around. To use it to its full potential takes a lot of practice which translates into skill. It’s not something you can just jump into and be boss at. I’m going to assume you haven’t even tried it, probably because you’re so angry. Woke isn’t even a thing, it’s a buzzword that people like to throw around and doesn’t mean what many people think it means. What it has to do with a game mechanic is nothing. I remember when people freaked out about women soldiers in V. The keyboard warriors talk tough but I’ve worked with women soldiers in real life and the majority could kick those keyboard hero’s butts. Maybe choose your battle, is it the wingsuit or are you here to complain about social issues?

Once you have movement mechanics that extend into 3D space, it changes the entire dynamics of the game. Both Mackay and Sundance have broken that to the core. DICE should've just went all in on that design and called this Battlefield: The Specialists and made them the focal point of game modes, map designs, etc. The problem is, they did neither. So you have maps designed around BR/HZ, specialists designed for Apex, and game modes that don't fit the maps, played with Specialists who break the modes.Breakthrough used to be a very strategic mode where there was a clear front to the battle as you inched your way forward point to point. Now with Mackay and Sundance, the front is 360 degrees including above you. I think I have been killed from behind or above more in this title, than all other titles combined (and I have played them all), and it is not even close. That should be a huge red flag for developers. If you die mostly to one weapon, it's probably OP, if you keep dying a certain way (like at spawn points, from behind, etc) it probably needs to be addressed. However, there is nothing they can do in this title to prevent Mackay or Sundance from completely breaking the game and making it into 32 individual TDMs.

The Flying Squirrel Suit Better Not Be a Thing In The Future.

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Anobix
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@DaRougaroux wrote:
This was the single worst, game breaking decision this company has made in this games history. Watching people literally defy gravity, jumping from the top of a freaking cargo unit and flying UPWARD to another is just stupid. Then to make matters worse, it literally takes ZERO skill and planning in other modes. You just jump off a hill and fly to the other side of the map.
FLIGHT SUITS DONT WORK THAT WAY. You are breaking the laws of gravity AND physics with this stupid thing. I know you people are too woke to remove it, god forbid you make the game a level playing field for EVERYONE, right? But it better not be in any future BF games or im done with this stupid franchise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipmmx5R2Mdg
Sorry, that's all I could think of with your post.
With that said, I completely agree with the majority here that the Grapple and Wingsuit completely destroyed any form of map balance and game flow, let alone when anyone could have any gadget and MacKay or Sundance would have a spawn beacon at completely unreachable locations (which at least I'm glad that was mostly resolved outside of a squad member spawning on them as recon and then putting one down...) It's a serious consideration as to why I'm not sure bringing back old favorites would work (like Karkand) because of the movement possible in this release, although I'd happily be wrong on that.
Raajakaarti_Tero
Seasoned Vanguard
2 years ago
Whole specialists system needs to go imho. Bring back soldier classes! Grappling hook and zipline type of gadgets would have had counter-play options in BF Hardline way of implementation.
Natilla4Real
2 years ago
@DaRougaroux wrote:
This was the single worst, game breaking decision this company has made in this games history. Watching people literally defy gravity, jumping from the top of a freaking cargo unit and flying UPWARD to another is just stupid. Then to make matters worse, it literally takes ZERO skill and planning in other modes. You just jump off a hill and fly to the other side of the map.
FLIGHT SUITS DONT WORK THAT WAY. You are breaking the laws of gravity AND physics with this stupid thing. I know you people are too woke to remove it, god forbid you make the game a level playing field for EVERYONE, right? But it better not be in any future BF games or im done with this stupid franchise.
Agree, sundance and her flying suit should not exist in a battlefield game.
Adamonic
Legend
2 years ago
The worst part is none of the maps were even designed with a wingsuit or grappling hook in mind. Breakaway was probably the only one for the Wingsuit, and that was before they got rid of the mountaintop objective. That was the only one where it felt the wingsuit was taken into consideration.

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