The melee sytem has been bad in bf1 and bf5. They made the knives 3 hit kill and the heavy weapons 2 hit kill. This makes it very underpowered. In bad company 2, bf2, and other games, it used to be 1 hit kill, and nobady complained. You, both the devs and the community have to finally understand that not screwing over the melee system wouldn't automaticly turn battlefield into cod. Battlefield's identity is big battles and big destruction. None of these will be affected if knives are, if not one hit kill, at least like in Hardline.

@EpistimonKapetan It is one hit kill from behind. If it was oHK always then you'd just have people running at opponents hoping for a lucky hit before 0 health.

@ninjapenquinuk This. Pretty much par for the course up to BF4.That being said, i'm still not 100% sure going away from it was a good thing (it was "fun" stopping someone charging through a door with an automatic shotgun with a single stab while you were mid-reload and about dead) but i can see why they wanted the insta-stab gone while facing someone even if i miss it a little.The counter system was just a bit too flakey, though undeniably fun when you pulled it off.

@EpistimonKapetan Agreed on Battlefield 1 and Battlefield V melee. Worst in the series. I am hopeful for Battlefield 2042.There will be melee takedowns in the game which will award the attacker with a dogtag(s).@ninjapenquinuk As to the one hit kill from behind... not always. I cannot say more.Lastly, panic melee was one of the reasons the melee has been atrocious the past two games as well... at no time should panic melee award a takedown attack and dogtags.

@ninjapenquinuk Oh i remember, was only pointing out where we went from one-hit kills to counters to the 1/5 system.It's fairly clear they wanted to stop the hard counter stab when someone was holding a chokepoint, and i really didn't have an issue with that, but i also thought it was a somewhat pointless mechanic to introduce "types" of melee weapons, melee was/is (and imo should be) a very last ditch option when both primary and secondary weapons are out and/or you simply panic because you're nose to nose with someone."Complicating" it with damage profiles per weapons seemed a touch pointless to me, but i can also see why some would find it interesting, to me though i would have been fine with a uniform damage model and the weapon type being more visual flavor than anything.

Small weapons do less damage but are faster and larger weapons will naturally do more damage at the cost of speed - I think that is pretty well balanced. What I don't like about the newer system is that this makes middle melee weapons pretty much outclassed across the board with the Barbed Wire Bat only having the benefit of being a rare novelty.IIRC, melee hits from behind always killed in one hit; yeah, it can be annoying when the auto animation kicks in from what appears to be weird angles but that's just how hitboxes and input compensation works. I've snagged tens of thousands of tags so I've been on both sides lol.Counter knifing needs to be tweaked - easiest thing you can do is make the prompt completely random and timed so people can't just spam that. Speaking of spamming, knife spam isn't really a problem, it's a symptom of victim panic though - if people kept their cool and just shot at soldiers we wouldn't have this spam stigma previously mentioned

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ninjapenquinuk
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@EpistimonKapetan It is one hit kill from behind. If it was oHK always then you'd just have people running at opponents hoping for a lucky hit before 0 health.
Fringerunner
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@ninjapenquinuk This. Pretty much par for the course up to BF4.

That being said, i'm still not 100% sure going away from it was a good thing (it was "fun" stopping someone charging through a door with an automatic shotgun with a single stab while you were mid-reload and about dead) but i can see why they wanted the insta-stab gone while facing someone even if i miss it a little.

The counter system was just a bit too flakey, though undeniably fun when you pulled it off.
ninjapenquinuk
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@Fringerunner With BFVs attrition then you could still skewer a fair few people with a last ditch (panic) melee attack with the heavier of the weapons.
Fringerunner
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@ninjapenquinuk Oh i remember, was only pointing out where we went from one-hit kills to counters to the 1/5 system.

It's fairly clear they wanted to stop the hard counter stab when someone was holding a chokepoint, and i really didn't have an issue with that, but i also thought it was a somewhat pointless mechanic to introduce "types" of melee weapons, melee was/is (and imo should be) a very last ditch option when both primary and secondary weapons are out and/or you simply panic because you're nose to nose with someone.

"Complicating" it with damage profiles per weapons seemed a touch pointless to me, but i can also see why some would find it interesting, to me though i would have been fine with a uniform damage model and the weapon type being more visual flavor than anything.
carsono311
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@EpistimonKapetan Agreed on Battlefield 1 and Battlefield V melee. Worst in the series. I am hopeful for Battlefield 2042.

There will be melee takedowns in the game which will award the attacker with a dogtag(s).

@ninjapenquinuk As to the one hit kill from behind... not always. I cannot say more.

Lastly, panic melee was one of the reasons the melee has been atrocious the past two games as well... at no time should panic melee award a takedown attack and dogtags.
Fringerunner
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@carsono311 Good point, dog tag collecting was easier/more fun with the old system, i'll absolutely agree on that.
Noodlesocks
5 years ago
I liked it in BF1. You'd get some really intense melee fights. Made the game feel a lot more brutal.
Not really a fan of 1 hit kill melee from any angle other than behind if all you need to do is press a single "I win" button.
Nyght17_
5 years ago
Vi que vai ter soco no jogo além dá faça né
carsono311
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@Noodlesocks wrote:
I liked it in BF1. You'd get some really intense melee fights. Made the game feel a lot more brutal.
Not really a fan of 1 hit kill melee from any angle other than behind if all you need to do is press a single "I win" button.
@Noodlesocks To your second point... I agree and I think Battlefield 2042 will be a return to more tried-and-true systems..
GRiPSViGiL
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@EpistimonKapetan I think the current melee of BFV is pretty good. They just need the counter melee thing for the risk reward contemplation!