The Question of Aim Assist
Okay, I'm finally putting this here, because I am really, really at a loss. How powerful is the console aim assist? From my POV, it might as well be a legalised aimbot. Currently, I have to resort...
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@TwentyValve I can only speak from my perspective. I have no idea what is going on but I need 10+ bullets to kill anyone at any range, I posted a video in the TTK vs TTD thread, yet I die the fastest possible way based on the weapon used against me. Almost always a headshot, and there is no firefight. I just die. It is always console when it is an instant kill. If a PC player kills me, which is rare, it is not instant, I have a chance to return fire or get behind cover.
I am speculating here, but I feel like the netcode in terms of hit detection is just a lot poorer compared to other Battlefields. That might be an influence. How adding crossplay affected how DICE programmed for netcode is another consideration. This is, after all, the first Battlefield where we are playing cross platform.
https://youtu.be/L1eM868uJfA?t=287
Might as well throw this one back up there again. After that first kill at 4:47, look what happens. They fire at one player with 21 rounds in the mag. By the time they reach 15 in the mag, they've killed four people...when there are only three people visible. They only fire directly at one person, and somehow kill three others (one not even visible) by lazily drifting across them and firing into a wall.
I think its pretty good visual evidence of how ridiculous the console aim assist can be, assuming that is all they are using there. But it tallies with what I experience on the receiving end: dying to almost no shots, and also getting shot whilst out of line of sight.
- @Moab23 he does not kill 4 when only 3 are visible. pay attention to the names. one is a left over from the previous kills at the top of the stairs. so that leaves 6 rounds to kill 3 people. the first kill is 4 rounds to the body, the other 2 are head shots, for a total of 6 rounds. nothing out of the ordinary. but by your logic, he should have gotten all head shots cause AA. but he only got 2 head shots out off the 8ish kills he got. so that disproves your complaint about AA being a head shot aim bot.
also the next group is all PC players with the same TTK as the console player before, so again, it disproves your logic.
got any other vids you want to use as proof against your point? @TwentyValve Give me a break. The player shoots one guy a bunch of times and then nails the others while drifting over them, and scores two perfect headshots in the process. If I did that the shots would miss. That kind of kill wouldn't even work against bots if I drifted over a group. You can clearly see when the footage is slowed down that their red dot is staying absolutely fixed on the same point of the player they shoot, and is tracking with them.
@Moab23and there are a ton more videos like this. I am just on the receiving end. These are the types of rounds I play now. I have 84 assists with only 13 kills. They have 105 kills and only 7 deaths. Avancys with Aim Assist is an Aimbot. This guy was lasering everyone. I think he killed me at least 8 times. From any distance, if I was visible in their field of view, I died.
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- @Moab23 if you want me to give you a break, post some actual proof, not cherry picking moments. I disproved your whole theory with the vid you chose. and all you can say is "look AA is working". that's all you've managed to show.
look, I don't doubt this stuff happens to you, cause it happens to all of us. how about recording a round that you play and post it without any editing, so we can see what is actually happening.
but some how I doubt you will because right now AA is your scapgoat for getting killed. its the "the game is broken cause I died" syndrome. The only issue with aim assit is pc players.
The numbers of players involved in bf2042 cheating is quite alarming and soon as its pc vs only pc then your beg for console players to comeback.
Most pc cheaters use dialed down settings and i reckon percentage wise it's not far off pc cheaters on warzone.
At least everyother game or sometimes everygame you get the pc player 60 or 70 kills to 0 deaths and some run round with a sniper like a shotgun.
@Kona_uk wrote:some run round with a sniper like a shotgun.
That's because it literally is
CQC rounds on the SWS is actually broken up close
- @Kona_ukIf it means not having to listen to consoles whine about hax when the actual percentage of cheaters is incredibly low, then by all means let’s get rid of cross play. Should we all say that all consoles cheat because they all use the hack peripheral (won’t mention the name)? Too bad consoles need aim assist, recoil reduction, snap in ADS and STILL have to cheat, y’all must be the worst players in the world. Bunch of cheating babies I guess… See my point? That’s how you sound with your comments about pc players. All any gamer should want is a level playing field to compete against each other. Are you scared they’ll take Aim Assist away or something? Thou dost protest too much.
Console and pc gamers should never have played together. It's nonsense. Crossplay is going to destroy the shooter on console and now also on PC.
@TwentyValve Yeah, I see you're devolving into the 'git gud' routine I see trolls ingame use when you point out someone is blatantly illegitimate. Would you like to try 'mad cos bad' as well? I mean its all the same copy paste responses trying to cover up the blatant problems people are experiencing. Clearly its just a made up issue, that's why I'm the only person mentioning it, right? Can't possibly be something amiss when someone runs around on foot and beats out vehicles with their score, in five consecutive matches, who tanks damage and does 90 and 180 degree spins that result in immediate headshots. Nah, no issue at all. All made up.
- @Moab23 and I see, you know I'm right, because you've devolved to calling me a troll. but what you still continue to do well is cherry pick. I've agreed with you several times about what's happening to you. where I disagree is why. its not solely AA. most of what you describe is either lag or cheating, in one way or another.
if someone is on top 5 matches in a row, the way you describe, they are cheating. period. if its a console player, there is a very good chance they are using a Cronus. there is absolutely no way what you described is AA alone. it simply doesn't work that way.
I'll tell you what, since I'm on Xbox Series X, we can cross play. set up a server and we can test your theory. either way I don't care what the outcome is. if it truly is AA, then great we can show Dice our findings, so hopefully they fix it. if its not AA we can at least show Dice how crappy their lag comp is and they can ignore us. Anyone else notice weapon damage is atrocious this past week or so? M5A3, AK-12, SFAR, all taking an absolute age to kill anyone. Full mags per player, sometimes that's not even enough. Meanwhile, as always, console bots just blowing your head off with one shot. Also, one shot kills through dense smoke where you are literally not visible, and neither are they, but they'll hit you perfectly.
To be honest with all the hit/reg, one shot kills, killed around corner issues it's impossible to make out what happening right now.
True story!
@RayD_O1 wrote:
@sk1lld wrote:To be honest with all the hit/reg, one shot kills, killed around corner issues it's impossible to make out what happening right now.
It was happening to me so many times yesterday I had to quit several servers to try and find one that was playable. ☹️
They are clearly doing something, and it is server to server. I don't know if it is some kind of SBMM by adding terrible lag comp to you, but this is ridiculous.
I am not the greatest, but I am a fairly decent player who is normally 2:1 or 3:1 in my kills to deaths. Not anymore. I am lucky to break 1:1. Nothing I hit dies (84 assists), yet, on foot, this player goes 15:1 (console) with over 100 kills and literally just has to press a button. He/She was basically wiping half of our team per engagement. I think I personally died to that player 10+ times. Everything is fine though because all the devs play on console.
In every engagement, every bullet fired against me, hits me when it is a console player (in damage log). The Headshot rate is also through the roof. If they are going to do aim assist, it shouldn't target the head.
- @Adamonic Why don't you just just plug in a controller on your pc if the K/D is so important to you and you believe that it's as effective as cheating?
@lionking7001 wrote:
@AdamonicWhy don't you just just plug in a controller on your pc if the K/D is so important to you and you believe that it's as effective as cheating?I'm just showing the disparity. I'm not saying it's cheating, the devs tuned it like this.
Why would I want to play where the game aims for me, what is the point? Why even play?
- @Adamonic The point is that I don't think you understand how hard the game is playing on a controller on console.
I definitely don't have any aimbot like aim-assist as you describe it! Virtually all my friends on console have given up the game because they get instakilled by Pc-players. On the servers I play it's about 80-90% Pc-players. That's EU virtually every game mode.
I agree with you that there should be console crossplay only!
@Adamonic wrote:If they are going to do aim assist, it shouldn't target the head.
1) The snap aim assist does not target the head. https://youtu.be/k49HDvF7v9o/t=30
2) Most experienced console players turn aim assist snap off. It's more trouble than it's worth.
https://youtu.be/UdkG0vctHOc?t=372
https://youtu.be/254R30gvetM?t=134
https://youtu.be/bUGdp5NCNWo?t=790There has to be something else going on. Level 4's and 7's unstoppable, yet I can't even get one kill but 18 assists? I am still 1st on the server in score (fake score), but I cannot kill anyone.
I unload entire clips at point-blank range, they go to about 25%, then whip around and one-shot me. For some odd reason, even if the server is 60/40 console, 95% of my deaths are console and headshots are 75% of the time. That is just too high.
There has to be something going on with crossplay then, if it is not related to aim assist. Again, if you got it use it, not the player's fault. The Devs can see the numbers.
For Console players, do you actually hit players without killing them? Since the last update, I rarely get hit and not killed by a console player. It is normally 4-5 shots, all register on the damage log instantly and I die.@AngrySquid270 thanks. That first video makes it seem fairly powerful and that's how it feels on the other end, it is sticky. Once I am in the field of view, I die.
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