Thoughts on the 'Feedback Loop'
I don't want the risk of being called 'toxic', so I will refrain from saying that I consider this current 'feedback loop' to be a joke. Well, maybe it's not even that. So I rather say that I am very ...
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@DuaneDibbley Definitely a question we would all like an answer too.
MM is one of the most frustrating things I hate about BF2042.
A Server Browser / Persistent Servers is the only way to go.!!
MM is one of the most frustrating things I hate about BF2042.
A Server Browser / Persistent Servers is the only way to go.!!
@RayD_O1
The most frustrating thing is, that basically EVERYONE (I honestly don't know of any exception) would be happy with MM into persistent and official Portal servers, running a map rotation of the current BF2042 maps with BF2042 vanilla settings as an intermediary workaround. Analogous to what we had with Rush -- and with full XP of course.
Yes, it is not the perfect long term solution. But it is FAR superior of what we have now and we know for a fact that this would take them not even one day of work to implement (literally 10 minutes for the mode to be created in Portal).
Everyone agrees this is better, it is of no effort to EA/Dice -- what better guarantee can we have that this will NEVER be done?
So, @Straatford87 , why the beep not do that?
@DuaneDibbley wrote:@RayD_O1
The most frustrating thing is, that basically EVERYONE (I honestly don't know of any exception) would be happy with MM into persistent and official Portal servers, running a map rotation of the current BF2042 maps with BF2042 vanilla settings as an intermediary workaround. Analogous to what we had with Rush -- and with full XP of course.
Yes, it is not the perfect long term solution. But it is FAR superior of what we have now and we know for a fact that this would take them not even one day of work to implement (literally 10 minutes for the mode to be created in Portal).
Everyone agrees this is better, it is of no effort to EA/Dice -- what better guarantee can we have that this will NEVER be done?So, @Straatford87 , why the beep not do that?
Add this to huge pile of other things that could be cleared up with a simple yes or no response.
@DuaneDibbley wrote:@RayD_O1
The most frustrating thing is, that basically EVERYONE (I honestly don't know of any exception) would be happy with MM into persistent and official Portal servers, running a map rotation of the current BF2042 maps with BF2042 vanilla settings as an intermediary workaround. Analogous to what we had with Rush -- and with full XP of course.
Yes, it is not the perfect long term solution. But it is FAR superior of what we have now and we know for a fact that this would take them not even one day of work to implement (literally 10 minutes for the mode to be created in Portal).
Everyone agrees this is better, it is of no effort to EA/Dice -- what better guarantee can we have that this will NEVER be done?So, @Straatford87 , why the beep not do that?
I see what you are getting at and under the right conditions your suggestion would definitely be a massive improvement as a temporary measure over the current MM.
I agree with you it would not take much time to implement at all.
The only concern I would have would be that the last time I went into Portal it was a bit of a ghost town, is that still the case. ?
With the player base being depleted already would enough players switch over to using Portal, you would think so judging by all the negative feedback there is on here for MM.?
But because Portal has been so badly received since launch I would just worry players may not be keen to use it as their main go to place, I may be wrong in that assumption.
I suppose they could trial it, run both versions side by side, although again that would split the player base wouldn't it which isn't ideal.
Would it be a major task for them to implement a proper long tern solution and supply what we are asking for the server browser / persistent servers like we had in previous BF's.?
I would hate DICE go down this route as a short term measure and then abandon any plans for a permanent solution.
What you are saying would work a treat if the player base support the move over to Portal, as you say it would be a lot better than the current set up that's for sure.
I would be very interested to hear what others think of the idea.
@RayD_O1
It would NOT be in Portal, but in the main menu, replacing the current CQ button (so, everyone plays that way and there would be no split of the player base).Even IF there were anyone that would -- for some inexplicable reason -- prefer MM over persistent servers, there would be ZERO difference for their experience (except they would have to quit if they wanted to stop playing except exit from the main menu).
Remember when they featured Rush there? They can just replace the button that now starts the MM for CQ and instead perform MM to place you on a persistent, official Portal server with full XP.
And I agree, this is just a preliminary solution, but given that it takes no effort on their end, the only explanation they are NOT doing it is that they do not WANT TO.PS: Now that I think of it, it does not have to be preliminary. It can be the permanent solution but of course they would have to add a server browser to not only be able to join those servers via MM but also by searching for such an official CQ server while filtering for ping/map and number of players on server. And because they already HAVE a server browser for Portal, I guess even this part wouldn't require an excessive amount of work.
@DuaneDibbley wrote:@RayD_O1
It would NOT be in Portal, but in the main menu, replacing the current CQ button (so, everyone plays that way and there would be no split of the player base).
Remember when they featured Rush there? They can just replace the button that now starts the MM for CQ and instead perform MM to place you on a persistent, official Portal server with full XP.
And I agree, this is just a preliminary solution, but given that it takes no effort on their end, the only explanation they are NOT doing it is that they do not WANT TO.PS: Now that I think of it, it does not have to be preliminary. It can be the permanent solution but of course they would have to add a server browser to not only be able to join those servers via MM but also by searching for such an official CQ server while filtering for ping/map and number of players on server. And because they already HAVE a server browser for Portal, I guess even this part would require an excessive amount of work.
That puts a different slant on things I would definitely vote for that as a very good alternative to what we currently have.
DICE why don't you trial this asap, then after we have used it for a period of time we could judge whether it is acceptable as a permanent solution or not.
Good thinking Mate, nice one. !!
- @RayD_O1
LOL -- thanks! You are free to repost this proposal until we either get this implemented or an official statement, why they opt not to do it.
You can even claim this as you own proposal -- as long as we get this implemented soon. 😉
@RayD_O1 wrote:
@DuaneDibbley wrote:@RayD_O1
It would NOT be in Portal, but in the main menu, replacing the current CQ button (so, everyone plays that way and there would be no split of the player base).
Remember when they featured Rush there? They can just replace the button that now starts the MM for CQ and instead perform MM to place you on a persistent, official Portal server with full XP.
And I agree, this is just a preliminary solution, but given that it takes no effort on their end, the only explanation they are NOT doing it is that they do not WANT TO.PS: Now that I think of it, it does not have to be preliminary. It can be the permanent solution but of course they would have to add a server browser to not only be able to join those servers via MM but also by searching for such an official CQ server while filtering for ping/map and number of players on server. And because they already HAVE a server browser for Portal, I guess even this part would require an excessive amount of work.
That puts a different slant on things I would definitely vote for that as a very good alternative to what we currently have.
DICE why don't you trial this asap, then after we have used it for a period of time we could judge whether it is acceptable as a permanent solution or not.
Good thinking Mate, nice one. !!
One very important question, will this proposed method help the poor guys who currently can't get into matches. ?
@RayD_O1
Only if these official servers would show up in the Portal server browser as well (or they start to provide a separate server browser instance for the official game modes). I guess, the former is a small change and just a flag to toggle on the backend to ensure they are not hidden, but I am not 100% sure about how they have implemented that (maybe the official Rush servers were visible in the server browser, but I never checked).
The reason why they are currently stuck in the 'Waiting for player' loop is because of the restrictions in place for match making that prevents them from being put in servers outside their region. If nobody play the game in their region, this would not help them (but also not make matters worse) of course.
@DuaneDibbley wrote:
@RayD_O1
Only if these official servers would show up in the Portal server browser as well. I guess this is a small change and just a flag to toggle on the backend, but I am not 100% sure about how they have implemented that.
The reason why they are currently stuck in the 'Waiting for player' loop is because of the restrictions in place for match making that prevents them from being put in servers outside their region. If nobody play the game in their region, this would not help them (but also not make matters worse) of course.I understand what you mean about the restrictions preventing players to be put in servers outside their region but I really feel they will have to make a change to this. I am sure it is something they could quickly find a solution to the region issue.
It really is something I feel strongly about so I would really want DICE to do whatever it takes to ensure all players can get into matches.
As you know we have been campaigning daily for the removal of MM so any replacement would ultimately have to work for all players.
Hopefully your suggestion coupled with a few tweaks by DICE will be possible in the near future. 🙂
@RayD_O1 wrote:
@DuaneDibbley wrote:
@RayD_O1
Only if these official servers would show up in the Portal server browser as well. I guess this is a small change and just a flag to toggle on the backend, but I am not 100% sure about how they have implemented that.
The reason why they are currently stuck in the 'Waiting for player' loop is because of the restrictions in place for match making that prevents them from being put in servers outside their region. If nobody play the game in their region, this would not help them (but also not make matters worse) of course.I understand what you mean about the restrictions preventing players to be put in servers outside their region but I really feel they will have to make a change to this. I am sure it is something they could quickly find a solution to the region issue.
It really is something I feel strongly about so I would really want DICE to do whatever it takes to ensure all players can get into matches.
As you know we have been campaigning daily for the removal of MM so any replacement would ultimately have to work for all players.
Hopefully your suggestion coupled with a few tweaks by DICE will be possible in the near future. 🙂
If DICE can find a way of implementing your suggestion that allows players to find matches outside their region, then it could definitely act as a good stop gap, especially if it's something they could implement very quickly.
In the meantime I plan to continue to push daily for a permanent solution on the usual four threads.
I just want to make sure that we don't abandon the players who currently can't even get into matches.
