Armored vehicles have become a meme; the Engineers are all under-performing and the AA weapons are not making enough damage and all the available countermeasures for tanks makes it near impossible to take out a tank. You hit them with an AA rocket, you get killed, the tank heals up and it was all for nothing.Half the team needs to run AA, but the engineers are all so under whelming that few wants to use them, and if they do, they are still just cannon fodder.Either leave more AA gadgets open to more classes, or balance vehicles some other way.

@Psubond wrote:@Adamonic wrote:With the addition of the Specialists to the BF equation, they have essentially made the game unbalanceable. If they fix something for one purpose, it kills it for another.so that means let vehicles run roughshod over infantry? boris and crawford are hot garbage and APS renders lis useless against armor.the nerf to lis removes her ability to target any halfway decent pilot. if they aren't going to adjust lis back to the middle in terms of maneuverabilty they need to remove the sound of the missile to allow lis to sneak up on pilotsEngineers are completely broken.I think they went for vehicle-to-vehicle balance and that just doesn't work.You have to consider Infantry vs vehicle and what the ratio should be for balance. Right now that is basically 2x players with one armor can withstand 5 to 6 infantry without a problem. That is too much. Armor to infantry should be 2:1, meaning once infantry has a 3rd player, they should have the dps to take out the tank. They need to tune down splash damage on all vehicles. I am now being killed behind cover from splash damage thru cover, it is ridiculous. There are just too many spotting and jamming functions. My minimap was scrambled the entire round on Flashpoint BT because the enemy had 5-6 Blacsos.

@TrasteTh wrote:Armored vehicles have become a meme; the Engineers are all under-performing and the AA weapons are not making enough damage and all the available countermeasures for tanks makes it near impossible to take out a tank. You hit them with an AA rocket, you get killed, the tank heals up and it was all for nothing.Half the team needs to run AA, but the engineers are all so under whelming that few wants to use them, and if they do, they are still just cannon fodder.Either leave more AA gadgets open to more classes, or balance vehicles some other way.well, if you want anything other than lis's missile you give up 2 gadget slots because crawford and borris are trash

@Psubond wrote:@TrasteTh wrote:Armored vehicles have become a meme; the Engineers are all under-performing and the AA weapons are not making enough damage and all the available countermeasures for tanks makes it near impossible to take out a tank. You hit them with an AA rocket, you get killed, the tank heals up and it was all for nothing.Half the team needs to run AA, but the engineers are all so under whelming that few wants to use them, and if they do, they are still just cannon fodder.Either leave more AA gadgets open to more classes, or balance vehicles some other way.well, if you want anything other than lis's missile you give up 2 gadget slots because crawford and borris are trashThey balanced Lis to be in line with Crawford and Boris by nerfing the tgm to the ground. Now its more like a glorified recoilless. Good for pilots though. No threats at all from infs anymore 🥳Vs ground vehicles people should learn to use c5 or mines anyway and stop with the useless missiles.

Changes were made specifically to "Ease Vehicle Game Play"Infantry was not a part of this equation. DICE purposely made the game easier for Vehicles. It was in the notes.

Seeing pilots suggest that 4 people should cooperate in order to take down 1 air vehicle just shows how absurdly overprotected air vehicles are by DICE.

Total vehicle dominance, and engineers that no one wants to play.

56 Replies

Psubond
Legend
3 years ago
@TrasteTh wrote:
Armored vehicles have become a meme; the Engineers are all under-performing and the AA weapons are not making enough damage and all the available countermeasures for tanks makes it near impossible to take out a tank. You hit them with an AA rocket, you get killed, the tank heals up and it was all for nothing.
Half the team needs to run AA, but the engineers are all so under whelming that few wants to use them, and if they do, they are still just cannon fodder.
Either leave more AA gadgets open to more classes, or balance vehicles some other way.
well, if you want anything other than lis's missile you give up 2 gadget slots because crawford and borris are trash
Nussepus
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Psubond wrote:
@TrasteTh wrote:
Armored vehicles have become a meme; the Engineers are all under-performing and the AA weapons are not making enough damage and all the available countermeasures for tanks makes it near impossible to take out a tank. You hit them with an AA rocket, you get killed, the tank heals up and it was all for nothing.
Half the team needs to run AA, but the engineers are all so under whelming that few wants to use them, and if they do, they are still just cannon fodder.
Either leave more AA gadgets open to more classes, or balance vehicles some other way.
well, if you want anything other than lis's missile you give up 2 gadget slots because crawford and borris are trash
They balanced Lis to be in line with Crawford and Boris by nerfing the tgm to the ground. Now its more like a glorified recoilless. Good for pilots though. No threats at all from infs anymore 🥳
Vs ground vehicles people should learn to use c5 or mines anyway and stop with the useless missiles.
Cakey_83
3 years ago
I feel like we need more launchers in the game to combat tanks, but they need to be effective.
C5 and mines are the only options when I want to take on tanks at present.
Anti Air weapons need a buff not a nerf at this point as heli's just dominate points on this new map.
MackTKau
Rising Ace
3 years ago
@Cakey_83 The saddest thing is you can't even C5 jihad jeep properly because the damage is broken if you haven't directly attached C4 to the enemy vehicle.
Cakey_83
3 years ago
Yeah not great that is it really.
Remember the days of multiple options to take on vehicles. Sadly they seem but a distant memory.
RMEChief
Legend
3 years ago
With the addition of the Specialists to the BF equation, they have essentially made the game unbalanceable. If they fix something for one purpose, it kills it for another.
Psubond
Legend
3 years ago
@Adamonic wrote:
With the addition of the Specialists to the BF equation, they have essentially made the game unbalanceable. If they fix something for one purpose, it kills it for another.
so that means let vehicles run roughshod over infantry? boris and crawford are hot garbage and APS renders lis useless against armor.
the nerf to lis removes her ability to target any halfway decent pilot. if they aren't going to adjust lis back to the middle in terms of maneuverabilty they need to remove the sound of the missile to allow lis to sneak up on pilots
RMEChief
Legend
3 years ago
@Psubond wrote:
@Adamonic wrote:
With the addition of the Specialists to the BF equation, they have essentially made the game unbalanceable. If they fix something for one purpose, it kills it for another.
so that means let vehicles run roughshod over infantry? boris and crawford are hot garbage and APS renders lis useless against armor.
the nerf to lis removes her ability to target any halfway decent pilot. if they aren't going to adjust lis back to the middle in terms of maneuverabilty they need to remove the sound of the missile to allow lis to sneak up on pilots
Engineers are completely broken.
I think they went for vehicle-to-vehicle balance and that just doesn't work.
You have to consider Infantry vs vehicle and what the ratio should be for balance. Right now that is basically 2x players with one armor can withstand 5 to 6 infantry without a problem. That is too much. Armor to infantry should be 2:1, meaning once infantry has a 3rd player, they should have the dps to take out the tank.
They need to tune down splash damage on all vehicles. I am now being killed behind cover from splash damage thru cover, it is ridiculous.
There are just too many spotting and jamming functions. My minimap was scrambled the entire round on Flashpoint BT because the enemy had 5-6 Blacsos.
Anarchiesx
Rising Veteran
3 years ago
@TrasteTh Disagree and I'm an engineer main. Rockets do more damage than before since the class update. The only issue for engineers right now is that they need to make Boris and Crawford more interesting to play. They don't need to touch rocket balance at all--just make those specialists something that players are interested in picking, because Lis is really the only one that stands out as a decent engineer pick right now.
Psubond
Legend
3 years ago
@Anarchiesx wrote:
@TrasteThDisagree and I'm an engineer main. Rockets do more damage than before since the class update. The only issue for engineers right now is that they need to make Boris and Crawford more interesting to play. They don't need to touch rocket balance at all--just make those specialists something that players are interested in picking, because Lis is really the only one that stands out as a decent engineer pick right now.
please link me to the patch notes where they buffed damage from rockets