What EA/Dice need to do by the next 2 updates
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@UP_Hawxxeye I remember in BFV there was the idea to add more Archtypes / Combat Roles like the planned Recon - Paratrooper.
The BF4 class system was very versatile, the weapon progression system was very bad though.
People always say, that classes are better, without mentioning which class system they refer to.
The BF4 class system is very good, but the class systems of BF2, BF3, BF1 and BFV are in no way better than specialists.
Sometimes I think people want to be able to tell people how to play their class, like "give me ammo", why don't you place your "spawn beacon".
I remember people got irritated when my BF4 recon used a carbine, motion sensors and T-UGS loadout, or a BF4 support with MP-APS and claymores.
I believe what most people miss, are the archetype/meta combination of the classes they believe to know.
With the specialists system, some of the former class abilities moved to become weapon attachments, like all under barrel attachments, unique to BF4 assault class.
Or the revive mechanics given to each squad member, and the team revive ability take from the BF4 assault class and put to a supporter named Falck.
In BF2042 the assault class characters have stripped away their former BF4 identity with something new. Maybe Sundance is like a BF4 assault grenadier?
I serviced as a tanker during the 1980th and my standard weapons were pistol, smg and lmg. To put smg and lmg in one class would be something new to the Battlefield series 😉
@kregora am sure that if the only critical difference with previous good BF games and BF2042 were the specialist system (minus the clown avatars) and the game was properly polished and optimised, BF2042 would had been competing with BF3 and Bf1 as the best received BF game so far
I hope add features we want and make Portal worth playing. I wish portal would go F2P. I want to play portal more but every match I join has like 10 people.
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@kregoraam sure that if the only critical difference with previous good BF games and BF2042 were the specialist system (minus the clown avatars) and the game was properly polished and optimised, BF2042 would had been competing with BF3 and Bf1 as the best received BF game so farYeah, I agree, the "(minus the clown avatars)" is one of the key issues.
We wouldn't had the discussion, why the only medic is a woman, which was pretty much compensated by adding the team revive ability to the already overpowered Angel.
We wouldn't have red, blue and green lights on the front of the uniforms, because there is no other way to tell friend from foe.
We wouldn't have cringy catch phrases before and after the matches.
But I believe that EA/DICE put so much effort, time, and money into the design and development of the clowns, that it is unlikely, that they fix this issue at the base.
At the launch I would have suggested soldier models for All-out Warfare, specialist models for Hazard Zone only. But now, where the remaining player more or less ignore HZ, this might not be an option anymore.
@kregora yet they knew it would not be well received at all, it's no surprise that their lying trailer hidden them to show only proper military outfit. Hence the question if they knew it will not be received, why the hell didnt they put so much effort in them. Irrational and dumb decisions seems to be the briefing check list of 2042 ^^.
@Psubond it's not too far into the game to change this. As many core aspects of the game are utterly wrong, they admitted that many need rework, this would be simply one more to do before the relaunch in summer. Let's face it, this summer isn't an update, it's a relaunch.
Beside, people did not settled to this play style, there are way too many strong disapproval. Why we would need what the author said, because "this" in opposition of the specialists, is in the heart of BF. There are multiple demonstrations on the forum on how the new style completely diluted the notion of role and by consequences damage team & squad group effort. Notion that class system built over years.
Now it doesn't mean scrap everything 2024 is. there are good ideas. And i do like giving more weapon choice for everybody (for exemple a recon should be able to pick Assault rifle, or SMG). But some bare limits need to be set, especially on gadgets.
Now why they won't scrap the specialists, why they came with this idea at first ? Not because it's good gameplay idea. Because the entire idea of specialist was there to make more money. Aka, selling more dumb esthetic for them while surfing in the Battle Royal trend wave. And who know, even sell new specialists that you can only buy, not unlock. Quite a backfire for them, but that's what happen when you just copy some trend that doesn't fit your product without thinking.
PS : some youtuber explained that during the close BETA they were just a few specialist, and they more or less matched the class .... so ... the solution was right there. But noooo, let's make 10 characters because it's co🤭OOOoool.
@VRACinque wrote:@kregora yet they knew it would not be well received at all, it's no surprise that their lying trailer hidden them to show only proper military outfit. Hence the question if they knew it will not be received, why the hell didnt they put so much effort in them. Irrational and dumb decisions seems to be the briefing check list of 2042 ^^.
@Psubond it's not too far into the game to change this. As many core aspects of the game are utterly wrong, they admitted that many need rework, this would be simply one more to do before the relaunch in summer. Let's face it, this summer isn't an update, it's a relaunch.
Beside, people did not settled to this play style, there are way too many strong disapproval. Why we would need what the author said, because "this" in opposition of the specialists, is in the heart of BF. There are multiple demonstrations on the forum on how the new style completely diluted the notion of role and by consequences damage team & squad group effort. Notion that class system built over years.
Now it doesn't mean scrap everything 2024 is. there are good ideas. And i do like giving more weapon choice for everybody (for exemple a recon should be able to pick Assault rifle, or SMG). But some bare limits need to be set, especially on gadgets.
Now why they won't scrap the specialists, why they came with this idea at first ? Not because it's good gameplay idea. Because the entire idea of specialist was there to make more money. Aka, selling more dumb esthetic for them while surfing in the Battle Royal trend wave. And who know, even sell new specialists that you can only buy, not unlock. Quite a backfire for them, but that's what happen when you just copy some trend that doesn't fit your product without thinking.
PS : some youtuber explained that during the close BETA they were just a few specialist, and they more or less matched the class .... so ... the solution was right there. But noooo, let's make 10 characters because it's co🤭OOOoool.
i am against restricting gadgets by class. a lot of us have settled into a play style (i have over 400 hours on the game). i like the flexibility we have now. do what you want with the cosmetic side of it but the only people i have seen whining about flexibility are the helo pilots who can't handle getting shot at by rockets. just because we were restricted on gadgets in the past does not mean it has to be shoved back into this game. like i said it is too far into the game to take away the flexibility we have. do whatever you want with the look and the sound of the specialists but don't take away their flexibility.
- @UP_Hawxxeye BF3 was not received well. It generated so much hate from the community of the day who claimed they were promised a true successor to BF2 and what they got instead was a dumbed down game aimed at the COD audience.
- @Tank2042Man BF3 was a gigantic success compared to BF2 and was the game that made the BF-franchise big (BF3 sold 5-6 times as many copies as BF2).
BF3 got a lot of new players to the BF-franchise and the BF2-players are a minority compared to the players of BF3.@cso7777Were you even there when BF3 came out? Even if it did bring new players it is only because it came out for consoles as well. It might be considered a success today but it didn't start out that way.
One of many hate topics you can Google:
https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qdc6g0/reminder_bf3_had_to_go_through_the_same_shitstorm/
