What is the fascination with classes?
why are people so wrapped around the axle on not allowing the flexibility that we have now and insisting on restricting the playstyle of others? people can set their loadout however they like so the...
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@ragnarok013 wrote:
@PsubondClasses are one of the three bedrock pillars of Battlefield that makes Battlefield what it is since the very first Battlefield 20 years ago. Classes are an integral portion of the paper/rock/scissors balancing that made Battlefield balanced and predictable that 2042 completed eschewed. It is impossible to balance every permutation of hero/weapon/gadget that the community can come up with; it's far easier for DICE to balance weapons/gadgets around classes with their restrictions due to the aforementioned tradeoffs.
Classes prevent people from being a jack of all trades, it encourages weapon and gadget diversity because you have to choose between a specific weapon type and a specific role instead of everyone running the meta hero/weapon/gadget to be a lone wolf like you see in 2042 and Warzone. Overall it makes for a healthier more team oriented experience.
The real question is if one doesn't like Battlefield why play Battlefield and demand that the formula change to be something else when other games do what 2042 is copying much better?
BF1's and BFV's Assualt class say hello 👋🏻
I would even suggest BF4's Medic lifted their head at the mention of this.
Players have always run the 'meta hero (class)/weapon/gadget' regardless of how the classes are constructed.
Teamplay is in the hands of the players, those that want to teamplay will, those that want lone wolf meta, won't regardless of class/specialist.
You and I have been here long enough to remember all the 'insert class here' don't 'insert class role here' threads! Specialists haven't changed that in and of themselves.
I am no fan of specialists personally and wouldn't be upset if classes returned in the next game but they are not as bad as people make out.
And as to clones (this bit isn't directed at you @ragnarok013 )
Clones of specialists - Bad
Clones of classes - Good
Makes sense......
Skins aren't spectacular but not to bad and faction skins would help but for me, not essential but one thing we can all agree on is the one liners.
@Trokey66 wrote:Clones of specialists - Bad
Clones of classes - Good
Makes sense......
Seriously? Coming from you who's apparently been around for as long as I have, it's very obvious. The models in older games were (mostly) faceless. They had nothing tied to them. No backstory, no quips, no identifier other than what their role is. Not only that, but they were different depending on what faction you played. Stop trying to BS us here, you know exactly why people don't want clones of Marvel/Disney characters, especially when they are EXACTLY the same on both teams other than a damn glowstick.
So if they dumped the specialist and brought back classes but kept the way you can choose any weapon/gadget would that make everyone happy?
@CantGetRight
Outright removing them at this point would just be weird; I think more effort should have gone into creating faction specific specialists with unique skins at the start - You could take it a step further and add a dedicated BRINK/Far Cry style colour scheme if you're feeling spicy.
I mean, it's possible they could do a full switch-over for S1 but I just don't see it happening. If the majority of players could agree on a decent class specific list of weapons and balance, I'd personally prefer that - Too much variety, in my opinion, causes too many players to become selfish and abandon PTFO
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:@CantGetRight
Outright removing them at this point would just be weird; I think more effort should have gone into creating faction specific specialists with unique skins at the start - You could take it a step further and add a dedicated BRINK/Far Cry style colour scheme if you're feeling spicy.
I mean, it's possible they could do a full switch-over for S1 but I just don't see it happening. If the majority of players could agree on a decent class specific list of weapons and balance, I'd personally prefer that - Too much variety, in my opinion, causes too many players to become selfish and abandon PTFOmate, that is never going to change. i've been playing battlefield for 20 years and if there's one thing i've learned it is that lone wolves are going to lone wolf no matter what. that is a player thing and expecting to play with 64-128 people in THIS world who are not selfish is a pipe dream
- @CantGetRight yep, i would be fine with that provided the gadgets for the specialists stay and are selectable. i don't care what they do with the appearance/sound of the specialists. (personally the voice acting is annoying but i can live with it if i need to. i'm not going to ask for it to be changed)
- @Albake21z The models in older games all had faces and as to names, so what? Apart from the menus and some one liners, specialist names (nevermind back story) do not appear in game.
What fundamental difference does it make if you play as Boris instead of Support, Falck instead of Medic or Casper instead of Recon?
None what so ever!
Assuming you read all my post you would have seen the bit where I mentioned faction skins would help but are not essential for me. That said, if you play as Sundance for example, how many times gave you seen an enemy Sundance and not tried to shoot them? And be honest.
Marvel/Disney characters? That's a new one!- @Trokey66 I said mostly, because most of their faces were covered up. Their faces were also so generic, there was no way to tie a character to it.
You already answered your own question. The difference is Falck is a strong written character, with a background and specific voice lines. Hearing and seeing the same thing on both teams is an issue. She's Russian, but works on both teams.
I've gotten slightly better at it, but in my 85 hours, it's happened often, Not so much from a distance, but up close there have been many instances where I was confused if it was an enemy or teammate. Only way to know is by playing laser tag and looking to see what color glow stick they have.
How much better would it be if Sundance was faction specific, so I don't have to look at a damn glowstick. I would see, hear, and acknowledge that Sundance = specific team.- @Albake21z i think they should have different skins for each faction but then we run into people complaining that they can't use their teir 1 skin or some other skin. not defending the argument, just saying it will be made
dice has proven they can crank out skins so it shouldn't be a big ask to have a russian T1 skin and a US T1 skin for each specialist (and while they're at it give us the option to mute the one liners)
