What is the fascination with classes?
why are people so wrapped around the axle on not allowing the flexibility that we have now and insisting on restricting the playstyle of others? people can set their loadout however they like so the...
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It's simple - classes added a give-and-take to designing your soldier.
Want to snipe? You have to give up your anti-vehicle capabilities.
Want to be a vehicle player (repair or destroy)? You can't snipe or revive.
Want to be able to revive people? You lose some of your anti-vehicle capabilities.
If you look at this through the lens of "me me me", yes you are losing things. But this creates a requirement for teamplay.
It used to take multiple players to accomplish some of the things that a lone-wolf can now do on his own. Sniper getting harassed by a chopper? You needed to rely on your squad engineer. Now the sniper just whips out his own rocket launcher and keeps sitting by himself 500 meters away from the rest of his squad.
Now everyone puts whatever they need into their "specialist", and nobody needs to rely on their teammates anymore. This, combined with the crazy mobility of some specialists, has made this the most "lone-wolf" battlefield game I've ever played.
@Dsmilees wrote:It's simple - classes added a give-and-take to designing your soldier.
Want to snipe? You have to give up your anti-vehicle capabilities.
Want to be a vehicle player (repair or destroy)? You can't snipe or revive.
Want to be able to revive people? You lose some of your anti-vehicle capabilities.
If you look at this through the lens of "me me me", yes you are losing things. But this creates a requirement for teamplay.
It used to take multiple players to accomplish some of the things that a lone-wolf can now do on his own. Sniper getting harassed by a chopper? You needed to rely on your squad engineer. Now the sniper just whips out his own rocket launcher and keeps sitting by himself 500 meters away from the rest of his squad.
Now everyone puts whatever they need into their "specialist", and nobody needs to rely on their teammates anymore. This, combined with the crazy mobility of some specialists, has made this the most "lone-wolf" battlefield game I've ever played.
7 pages in and that is the first objective argument. however i don't see how that will prevent lone wolf players and force teamwork. we had those things in previous battlefield games and i did not see a noticeably higher number of people PTFO than in battlefield 2042.
all your argument proves is that vehicles will have less people shooting at them. there will still be wookies hiding on hills taking pot shots at people. if you restrict people to classes and if the medic weapon isn't meta then you won't be getting many revives as infantry. if the support weapon isn't meta you won't be much getting ammo. engineers could be a little different because people like myself enjoy hunting vehicles but i am biased so i can't really make a call on that. bet your a** there will be a ton of recon on hills with sniper rifles just like in every other battlefield game though.
you won't improve team play classes but you will destroy some people's playstyle. team play depends on the person on the controller not the avatar on the screen
- @Psubond I mentioned before, sniper + ammobox = infinity camp. <--- fantastic team play. Freedom gives great chances for good meta (mostly lonewolf tho), also more freedom gives great at all no teamplay meta.
- @Man_iLoveFishing sniper+ no ammo box didn't prevent people from doing it in any of the previous games, why would it now? people just redeploy and go back to their sniper hide with full ammo(cause let's face it most of the time it is in their spawn)
@PsubondAs in own experience, I run out of ammo fast. I have to move to get more ammo. I am recon player since bf3, been there, done that.
Edit: Let's not forget now we have different types of ammo.
@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:
@PsubondI mentioned before, sniper + ammobox = infinity camp. <--- fantastic team play. Freedom gives great chances for good meta (mostly lonewolf tho), also more freedom gives great at all no teamplay meta.I did the exact same thing in BF1 as support with the 1917 lmg. I perfected long range support play and took out most snipers due to suppression plus suppression perk.
I've been lone wolfing as infantry since BC2 where I also ran with an ammo box and grenade launcher while equipped with a very capable automatic weapon.
If you want to see one man armies in a battlefield game, go check out the class options in BC2 where they also had 9 all class primary weapons.
BC2 was where Dice took the commander abilities from one player in BF2 and gave it to the players on the ground instead. They talked about this approach leading up to release.
Chiming in late here but....
I've gotten used to the specialists abilities. They offer a lot of fun ways to kill enemies and to be honest, even as a hardcore BF 3-4 player - I wouldn't wanna totally go back to the old class system.
IMO, had the specialists been way cooler looking, not sounding so dumb - the majority of people would maybe not complain. Because really, their appearance is what makes this game feel not like BF. And as far as the classes go: Dice could easily do a compromise and make old meets new. Meet us halfway. Keep the abilities but maybe set them into classes so that those 2 specialists always have an repair tool for example.
If I be lead on 2042, the first thing i'd do is: Make the RU look vastly different,. different characters with the same abilities. RU has a vastly different cameo pattern and color anyways so it would only make sense. So this adds to the point that 2042 is a bare bone game. to make the RU team look differently should been on the first design sheet top anyways. See imagine below. A real easy NOW solution, IMO..
So there are many possible solutions to make everyone happy. They should start with the easier ones and cosmetics are easier. For a game that had a 3 year development cycle and no single player, there are just no excuses.
My guess: Specialists will stay as they are. S1 will add 1 more. Once they have 16, they should divide them into 4 classes. Prob wont happen. I guess in the end, it is what it is.
I don't know if I'd say there have been more or less players PTFOing, but I certainly have seen less players that try to stick around their squad and team. There's definitely more people that will fly off with Sundance, or grapple off with Mackay, in this game opposed to sticking near their team or squadmates. Of course this has been an occurrence in previous games as well, but it definitely seems more pronounced in 2042 since there are less incentives to sticking near your squad/team.
And like you said, there have always been those pesky wookie snipers in Battlefield games. Now they just don't have a built-in weakness like they used to, IMO they should be weak to vehicles, and as a result they have even less incentive to play with their teammates than in previous games.
The average internet warrior will almost never prioritize teamplay over lone-wolfing it unless he is forced to or greatly rewarded for doing so. In previous games, it was at least extremely apparent that this is what they were trying to implement. It's wasn't perfect; no matter how important teamplay is there will always be some people that just ignore it and lone-wolf anyway. Devs can't really FORCE people to use teamwork (except in games like It Takes Two lol), but they can certain guide them in that direction. This is how it felt to me in previous games. In 2042, there is even less importance given to teamplay, and to me it does show in the game. I see less variety in squads (90%+ sundance and angel when I play) and even when playing with friends there's less inter-squad teamwork than there used to be, simply because there doesn't need to be.
And it's really up to the individual player whether or not they like this change. Some people don't like feeling like they need to rely on teammates, and those people will most likely enjoy the flexibility and power that the specialist system gives them. Personally, I always liked the feeling in Battlefield games that I needed to rely on my teammates, and my teammates needed to rely on me, and without each other we would not be victorious. It was one of the things that most set Battlefield apart from COD to me, where one good player could (and would) singlehandedly win the match.
