What is the fascination with classes?

I don't know if I'd say there have been more or less players PTFOing, but I certainly have seen less players that try to stick around their squad and team. There's definitely more people that will fly off with Sundance, or grapple off with Mackay, in this game opposed to sticking near their team or squadmates. Of course this has been an occurrence in previous games as well, but it definitely seems more pronounced in 2042 since there are less incentives to sticking near your squad/team. 

And like you said, there have always been those pesky wookie snipers in Battlefield games. Now they just don't have a built-in weakness like they used to, IMO they should be weak to vehicles, and as a result they have even less incentive to play with their teammates than in previous games. 

The average internet warrior will almost never prioritize teamplay over lone-wolfing it unless he is forced to or greatly rewarded for doing so. In previous games, it was at least extremely apparent that this is what they were trying to implement. It's wasn't perfect; no matter how important teamplay is there will always be some people that just ignore it and lone-wolf anyway. Devs can't really FORCE people to use teamwork (except in games like It Takes Two lol), but they can certain guide them in that direction. This is how it felt to me in previous games. In 2042, there is even less importance given to teamplay, and to me it does show in the game. I see less variety in squads (90%+ sundance and angel when I play) and even when playing with friends there's less inter-squad teamwork than there used to be, simply because there doesn't need to be. 

And it's really up to the individual player whether or not they like this change. Some people don't like feeling like they need to rely on teammates, and those people will most likely enjoy the flexibility and power that the specialist system gives them. Personally, I always liked the feeling in Battlefield games that I needed to rely on my teammates, and my teammates needed to rely on me, and without each other we would not be victorious. It was one of the things that most set Battlefield apart from COD to me, where one good player could (and would) singlehandedly win the match. 

Lets just keep this simple.

2042 has specialist.

look how bad the game is doing.

@Psubond , sorry to double respond but I just wanted to weigh in on my thoughts about the "clone" issue as well. 

In my opinion, the clone issue wasn't an issue in previous games because it was a uniform. It's like looking at a football team - they all wear the same jerseys, pads, etc. so of course they look the same. There's not a moment though where I'm looking at a football team and I'm under the impression that they're all the same person. My eyes see similar models, but my brain differentiates them as individuals because that's what uniforms are meant to do - make individuals look similar, and the uniforms in game act the same way as uniforms act in real life. 

2042 is like if that football team started taking off their uniforms and they were still all the same underneath. Then it is weird. My brain would freak out if I saw a football team that was all made up of clones of the same person. With specialists, 2042 identifies them as unique individuals, then throws multiple of that same individual on to your screen at once. So your brain identifies them as clones of each other.

A full football team of generic people wearing similar uniforms so they look similar = normal

A full football team of Tom Bradys, or even of half Tom Bradys and half Peyton Mannings = weird 

@Psubond 

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@Psubond wrote:
@Man_iLoveFishingi've looked through it and i can't find an argument other than "i don't like it". i think people are just control freaks and want to force a specific set of rules on people *which you can already do in portal*

if they want to rework specialists to get rid of the stupid one liners and rework the cosmetics fine, i encourage that, but the player's ability to play to their strengths is fully realized with the freedom to pick your weapons and gadgets (at the end of the day specialists are just a gadget slot)

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This is the most insane demonstration of dishonesty yet saw on the Specialist topic. Your name appear in every debate regarding specialist as a clear defender of this new system. Debate where countless crystal clear arguments that explain why such a system has nothing to do in BF been demonstrated. Arguments that go far beyond "i don't like it".

Kinda show how utterly biased your opinion is on this topic by your personal taste (aka so called "i don't like it" as you say) 

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@CantGetRight wrote:

I am sure you have already read my response to this before but to me, classes feel so restrictive now.  Also I hardly even noticed what the enemy even looked like.  I have always looked for the red icon above their head.  Oh, look a red icon I will kill him now.  I think they use the class's excuse to fuel their argument.  It is like people keep saying there is no cover on the maps when we all know there is plenty of cover.

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Pre BFV as a tanker I knew which infantry I needed to be worried about just based on their class. 

The specialists started the whole hate train ball rolling and you're so right about the maps.

There's as much infantry cover as in any previous large map we've played on in the series and that includes so called fan favourites like Caspian Border.

For an explanation about this complete disconnect from reality with the cancel mob, look into Mass Formation Psychosis. 

@Tank2042Man Maybe there's as much infantry cover as the previous "large maps" in games, but in previous games those "large maps" were only 1-2 maps out of the total launch pool. The rest of the maps played very different. Some were much tighter with more cover where infantry had an advantage, and most landed in-between these two extremes. Different maps rewarded different gameplay styles as a result. 

In 2042, every match included at launch was a "large map", and those that enjoy a different style of gameplay are left with nothing that caters to them. There are no maps included that rewarded infantry or tight cqb gameplay. No urban maps, not even a Grand Bazaar, much less some metro-style map. 

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@OzzLink wrote:

Here I agree with you, specialists are the lesser problems BF2042 has. Still if you remember, the community was vocal about them after the beta. My guess is that the hate towards the specs is a mix of issues ppl have with them, issues like ppl not liking change, the damn awful quips they have, feeling like playing Apex legends, lazy design, etc.

The community felt betrayed and they are picking on every single thing that they can to punish DICE.

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Ok now that is a more insightful opinion.

You seem to understand that the hate has little to do with the specialists.

You're first comment was the best though.

"They just don't like them".

But no one can really explain why.

Regarding their impact on gameplay one example I've heard numerous times is that an engineer can no longer equip a repair tool and a rocket...

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@CantGetRight wrote:
@AuramiteXMost of the time I am glad EA doesn't do what the people want.

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I am dreading the changes that are coming based on reddit and the grifter youtube channels.

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@AuramiteX wrote:

I'm not going to waste time trying to change your opinion. If you still like the specialists you are entitled to do so.

Here are the facts:

Most people don't like them. Most people have stopped playing and the game has become irrelevant.

EA can double down and ignore the players, or they can listen to them and start to make changes.

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"We can't give any factual reasons how specialists ruin gameplay, you have to read another thread where all the reasons are, (spoiler alert there aren't any major reasons).

But we decided we don't like them and we've managed to convince a lot of people not to like them too, just bcuz, and you need to get rid of them or we will attempt to cancel the game".

Did I miss anything?