Her TGM missile was already insanely strong and I was able to basically remove all air vehicles in the match but a 600m range with an even tighter turning speed is crazy. Hitbox increase won't even matter because you usually shoot it when they're distracted.
@mimi0xi wrote:@Logger_388thInsane TGM buff is the worst part about this update.
When playing ground vehicles, you were essentially harassed by players you cannot see, fight and you don't know where they are. You get shot from over the hill, behind the cover, under the roof and there's nothing you can do about it.Like when a tank rains down fire from their starting zone on a node halfway across the map
Now factor in there's multiple Liz players shooting rockets your way at any given moment in these wide open maps.
NERF TEAMWORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that was before the update, now they'll get even more maneuverability and even more range.
From their crappy mobility and poor range.
And then the same people complain tanks are "camping". APS won't save you unless the reload time is ridiculously low.
Tanks are camping. Remember, Lis has a 20 second cooldown after the second rocket. If youre truly asking DICE to nerf Teamwork, why dont you just ask to be invulnerable?
Oh and don't forget now they're bringing back Javelin, tracers and Rao's insta-soflam, what a fun time for ground vehicles.
Looks like Pilots are going to have to exhibit knowledge and skill. How dare DICE expect that of the player base.
Of course, in all your post, you said nothing of the farming of infantry with unlimited rockets, and ammo. You said nothing about that it takes 4 or more missiles to destroy your tank. Gee I wonder why?
@shanatak wrote:I am on console and I really don't understand why Lis ll be buffed.
It's already an easy mode to destroy helis.
I just want to confirm, this is the video you really want to support as proof?
You consider these pilots as skilled flyers?
@ATFGunr wrote:
@Padding_Ur_StatsBy this metric, nerf parachutes, the AM40 and C5 because you can kill with them. Those pilots were average at best 🤣
Youre kinder then I am sir.
@shanatak wrote:
@Padding_Ur_Stats
Yes I can confirm, some are very good pilots in this video.
I disagree. They're making rookie mistakes and it is costing them.
There are points to know too , console and PC version are different.
How about some posts on what is different. I play PC.
It seems people want to let no chance to the most skilled pilots
Wait, you just said, those are skilled. That being said, to learn to get better is to make mistakes and learn from them.
Those pilots trained hard and get time to reached the level they are .
Trained or Played? Not the same. That being said, they are making bogus rookie mistakes in "each" kill. They are giving up their defense for KD. What is sad is, they really dont have too.
Now just imagine a beginner pilot want to learn flying ....he ll be disgusting in what..in a minute or 2 maybe .
You mean like a beginning infantry or armor in this game. That is not a reason to nerf a specialist. Funny how you want your game play EZ, but ignore the other facets of the game.
Yes it's easy to destroy an heli with Lis...imagine 4 or 5 Lis...
So youre argument is to nerf teamwork? Why haven't you asked for an infantry nerf because 4 or 5 infantry on 1 is OP. They have no chance.
The very basis of what this game is designed on teamwork. You're not supposed to survive Teamwork. I've T1d Lis and it aint that easy. Either you have no experience playing Lis, or if you do, youre snowballing to get it easier for flying.
Essentially, youre position is to make EZMode because of Teamwork, Beginner flyers, and Rookie mistakes from supposedly good pilots.
None of those videos record how many misses happened, only the final blow. Flying defense is based on speed and agility. When you give that up to farm the helpless infantry who have no chance against you, so high in the air, those with rockets get a chance to shoot you down. Giving up your defense to get your KD ratio padded is not a reason to nerf Lis.
I would say those pilots have to get better. Stop the hoovering and flying backwards which eliminates your defense. Learn to Straif. Yes, you wont get as many kills, but you have to decide.....
Give up some kills
or die to Lis.
@shanatak wrote:
@Padding_Ur_StatsIt's a video of sequence , so you can't saw all how they fly.
And in this video there are no ultra skilled pilots , I just said they are good pilots
Again, making bad pilot mistakes. Not a reason to nerf Lis
And hopefully for the interest of the game , it's take skill to shoot an heli with Lis but it s not impossible. It's can be easy if a Lis learn and know the mechanic of flying.
Ive T1d Lis. The only people who says she is easy are people who dont really play her. I have seen a pattern among bad pilots and I capitalize on that.
I am just fear about how the game ll be with a buff of Lis because it's already an hard way to deal with his rocket specially on PC.
Just looking a video of ashe or Silk, its crazy...
Youre looking at a video of pilots making bad mistakes and it costing them. Again, not a reason to nerf Lis.
PC players and console players have different control , a mouse can do better than a controller when we talk about vehicles.
And Lis Rocket work as a vehicle aim .
Lis's rocket is not agile at all. Additionally, if you boost it, you have little to no agility left and you eat up 50% of your fuel. Air has far more agility then the missile. Dodging isnt hard, That being said, in every example in the linked video, the pilots give up their defensive abilities because theyre focused on the infantry below.
Maybe console don't know that but changing the aim sensitivity on setting vehicle will give the missile more controls.
I cannot speak to the console. I use PC.
Lis is my favourite specialist , I like to play her and i really think it's ok , no need a buff just for delete all flying heli.
Lis is maybe the strongest specialist already and I T1 too her .
I dont wish to call you a liar, but y our info on her abilities and rockets seem, inaccurate to me. Maybe because you play console is the difference. That being said, Lis is far from the strongest specialist. Falck, Mackay, Sundance, Angel are all FAR better then Lis. She is mediocre among the specialists. Ive T1d Lis, Falck, Sundance and I am about to T1 Mackay and Angel.
Tired to see little kids crying as soon they can't manage against a better player .
Dont sweat it. Theyve been told they are winners and are special their whole lives. It is about time they learned theyre not.
I am fear that the sky ll be just for the best pilots because yes, skilled pilots ll be there and the normal players who want just enjoy a game ll be disgusting.
I hope Dice know and notice that.
The buff to Lis is minor. Most engagements are under 300 meters. With a larger missile hit box, her missiles will be shot down more often. It will still take 4 rockets to down a vehicle and she has a 20 second cooldown. The position that multiple Lis is OP is moronic. This game is all about teamwork. That is why her rockets have a 20 second cooldown, to force others to engage with her. I have sank 7 rockets into a MAV, and it was only at 60% health because nobody else targeted it.
The only birds who need to fear Lis are the bug birds. They will have to adjust their piloting to forward straifing instead of hovering to farm their kills.Other then that, the changes overall are minimal
@shanatak wrote:I am on console and I really don't understand why Lis ll be buffed.
It's already an easy mode to destroy helis.
You have 45,000+ kills and 320hr+ with the Nightbird. Do you think your opinion on this matter may be biased?
What percentage of these easy mode rockets are you dodging in a typical match? 90%? 95%?
