You can't balance helis without playing them
It's okay to complain that helis are annoying but you can't tell how helis should be nerfed if you don't play them. Attack helis (Apache, Hokum, stealth helis and Nightbird) have become less aggress...
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@Psubondin that case why have any air power at all? why have tanks? remove everything, even guns, we just run around with fists entire game. If you have problems with air power you have the tools to deal with it, most players don't want to, they want to play whatever and just expect others to take the heli down.
Changing the entire game just to suit other players is unrealistic, better to have good maps with balance, Air power is apart of battlefield, if you do not like it you have other modes, other games as well. I love airpower can it be good at times yes, but it can also be very bad having 4 lis rockets spammed at you, but you can go against a crazy good player with LMG then what? nerf that into the ground too ?
@L3tH4l3rR0r wrote:
@Psubondin that case why have any air power at all? why have tanks? remove everything, even guns, we just run around with fists entire game. If you have problems with air power you have the tools to deal with it, most players don't want to, they want to play whatever and just expect others to take the heli down.
Changing the entire game just to suit other players is unrealistic, better to have good maps with balance, Air power is apart of battlefield, if you do not like it you have other modes, other games as well. I love airpower can it be good at times yes, but it can also be very bad having 4 lis rockets spammed at you, but you can against a crazy good player with LMG then what? nerf that into the ground too ?
if air can pound infantry then infantry needs to be able to shoot back effectively. it can't be a one way street. any time infantry shoots back helo pilots want whatever they are using nerfed.
if air can't be shot back at with a credible threat then they shouldn't be able to farm infantry
- @Psubond That's why we have stingers, javelin rocket, Lis rockets, AA tank, jets, also Helis, tanks, recoiless rockets, underbarrel launcher, you fail to see the bigger picture and want the game suited to your gameplay wants and needs. Unrealistic
@L3tH4l3rR0r wrote:
@PsubondThat's why we have stingers, javelin rocket, Lis rockets, AA tank, jets, also Helis, tanks, recoiless rockets, underbarrel launcher, you fail to see the bigger picture and want the game suited to your gameplay wants and needs. Unrealistici'm not asking for any buffs to AA. i merely propose if there are nerfs to AA then helos shouldn't be as effective against infantry and should have more vehicles added so all the vehicles can fight each other while infantry focus on infantry.
ground vehicles would still be very strong against infantry but air could hunt the ground vehicles and each other. infantry already have tools to fight back against ground. infantry would be less effective against air and vice versa. more pilot/ground vehicle seats available so the people who want to play those could have a better chance at getting them
or we could just leave everything alone. i'm fine with that too (other than that stealth helo. they shouldn't be able to drop bombs in stealth mode)
- @L3tH4l3rR0r Well, Psubond said this ''infantry needs to be able to shoot back effectively''.
Stingers are not effective, neither are javelin rockets with the current flares-system (certainly not after the unlogical dart nerf), tanks and helis are vehicles, the M5 isnt anti air (and doesnt work like such if used vs air who would've guessed) and misses far too much (just like the stinger), underbarrel launcher definitely wont work and you forgot one thing. Sniping the pilot. Which is equally as hard as using the M5 vs air.
DICE needs to play against helis as inf more imo.- @Wargame_Enj0yer you forgot everything else the heli goes against and those are capable of doing damage, If you want for sure kills, Lis can do it and since last patch she is more stronger, you have all the tools to deal with air power, like I've been saying, better for balanced maps than favoring one or the other, being a good pilot is difficult, I say you should try to fly for 1 week solid and see how it is.
- @Psubond That's the problem. Most people in Vehicles just want to be able to farm infantry and have no way to be taken down. Liz was buffed so that console players could actually use her and now every pilot is complaining and want her nerfed. It's never gonna be a two way street with them.
- @ZRuff46 Lis wasn't buffed to specifically give console players an advantage; the rocket worked fine on PC but never worked properly on consoles and was finally fixed (patch notes prove how busted it was on console). There's a huge difference.
How she is now is how she should've been since the start of Season 1 across all platforms. It's putting so many pilots in their place in revealing they're not as good as they think they are, hence all the crying.
If pilots can farm troopers, troopers can hunt them down with rockets. Balanced, as all things should be.- @UNL1M1T3D_P0W3R I agree but they did say they increased the turn speed and acceleration so that it was easier for console players to use them
