Assault Shotgun needs a nerf

I'm no fan of the shotgun but I think rather then nerfing, they should increase the spread area instead that way it'll decrease its range.

Leave the shotgun alone

Dude, at one point in time I spent like 6 hours in Battlefield 3 just shooting the M870 at walls at different distances to pattern that thing and use it to kill people outside its standard combat range. Got me banned from like 4 servers in 2 hours for it. xD

Yep. I been 1 shot killed by shotgun at insane ranges but at the same time I like how lethal it is so instead I would prefer its spread to be increased rather then being nerf cause other weapons can't match it at all

I'd like to see the spread increased so it stays effective close but isn't nearly as strong in medium ranges. Yesterday I had enough getting 1 shotted, so I exclusively used the shotgun for the remainder of the day and was in the top 3 of every match with it. I don't think it needs to be a huge spread increase, so long as they tighten the bloom on ARs, as right now the shotgun is too often a 1 shot at 15-20m and is a 2 shot 15-25m. If you fight ARs at 20m, you'll win 8 out of 10 (or at least I have been) with the shotgun, which is just wrong. I was grouped up with a friend and made the joke to him that the shotgun was the best sniper in the game. That obviously was an exaggeration but I could consistently beat ARs at medium.  

So... within an extra 5 meters you want an additional round of drop off? Do you know why Shotguns have as much damage as they do? 

It's because it is launching nine - NINE (9) .33in OR for those of you whose countries haven't landed on the moon 8.4mm (8.389mm if technical) pellets made of lead, copper, steel, bismuth, or tungsten. Flying at between approx 1150-1350fps. That is essentially the same thing as taking 9 simultaneous hits from the P18(M18/Sig P320) 9x19mm pistol. Which also flies between 1150-1350 fps 

Magpul Dynamics Shotgun Zeroing (15yd/5m)

Those 3 big holes are the wad, the cup, and the shot separating.

Magpul Dynamics Shotgun (Patterning)

If anything, You should be asking dice to reduce the cone fire on rifles/carbine/dmr and pistols. 

It's honestly a matter of math. How many shots do you need to kill someone with the pistol? 4 at 0-5m, 5 at 6-25m

P18 Stats Effects Damage 25 - 12 25 (0-5m) 20 (6-25m) 17 (26-50m) 14 (51-69m) 12 (>70m) Multipliers 1.35x Head 1.0x Chest 1.0x Legs Time to kill N/A Bullets to kill 4 - 8+ 4 (0-5m) 5 (6-25m)

P18 In game stats

M87A1 Shotgun base stats.  The base stats are 160 dmg per shell. Let's do some math. 1 shell(round) =9 pellets. So, if we divide 160/9= 17.7 per pellet at 0-5M.

What you all are begging for is essentially to neuter shotguns and make them worse than pistols. Why? Because you don't like getting thrown into a ceiling painting competition with Kurt Cobain at rock throwing distance? gitgud.

BTW: I was mostly using the M4A1 (25dmg/r(900rpm)), L110 (25dmg/r(710rpm)), and PW7A1 (16dmg/r(947rpm).

No.  shotguns are poweful as they should be.  They are balanced properly for the assault class. The gun recoils could be significantly higher on hip fire and maybe reduce movement speed on ads (to almost no stand still) with lower recoils. 

How would it be worse than a pistol if they can still one-shot even after a balance patch lol pistols cant one shot unless you maybe get a headshot off with a revolver (if they add a revolver)

I like a fast ttk as well, the game just needs a bit more weapon balancing I think

Are you... not good at math? Do you not understand how math works? Is English not your first language or do you lack reading comprehension skills? 

1 shell of buckshot from that shotgun does 160 damage. 0-5m.

Pistol does 25 damage per round from 0-5m 

In 1 shell of 00 buckshot there are 9 pellets. So 160 divided by 9 = 17.7 [EDIT: on further look at past battlefield pump shotgun buckshot stats and typical pellet count sits around 14 to 5 depending on the shotgun and game [M870] BF2(8), BF3 (12), BF4 used (12). and did between (16 to 6)dmg per pellet. ] BF3\4 Buckshot stats

[EDIT: Admittedly 8 is a cleaner number to divide 160 by so. 160/8 = 20  The shotgun already does equal or less base damage per projectile in the air in every game than even the base pistol. M9 in EVERY Battlefield title  MP28/P18 - BF2042/BF6 ]

Pistols by default get a 1.35 base damage multiplier to head shots. Shotguns do not. 

Consider things this way. Getting 1 shot from a shotgun is like getting shot 9 times by someone with a pistol really fast. OR! You running into a room like these CoD players are and getting worked by 9 dudes who shoot you in the chest once with a pistol.

With standard Magazines (17rds) you get 72 rounds of 9x19. With extended magazines (22rds) You get 88 rounds. All that you can launch as fast as your little fingers can click or pull a controller trigger.  Up to 399 shots per minute.

Shotgun mains get... 16, maybe 24 at max since they like giving people 2-3 reloads per weapon. At the speed of... 94 shots per minute. Statistically, Shotguns are inferior to PISTOLS. The damage PER PROJECTILE Shotguns get at 0-5m Is the same as the pistol gets at 26-50 METERS!

WAIT! I GOT IT! You're German! You have to be German! These are the same complaints the Germans made during World War 1 when the United States Marine Corps gave barely and even UnSupervised Man-Children (lol I had to do that one) the Winchester M97, in 2.75in, 5+1 round tubes and a pocket full of shells to do the lords work with. "Ban Schwat gun! Iz unfair! Iz too powerful! Mine friend Hans got splattered through the trenches because he couldn't reload his Mauser faster than zat Marine running at him! Waaaaahhh!"

Why are you not crying about the fact Sniper rifles can kill you with a headshot? And NOW Recon can make you unreviveable with headshots. FROM ANY GUN!

Do you get mad when someone sets up a claymore in the crease/cut of a door and you walk into it and get laid out too? Because a Claymore is honestly the same thing as a dude in a room with a shotgun. Except there are more and bigger pellets and they fan to cover the whole room. 

Are you really mad that shotguns work well, or are you mad because you got caught lacking and got your Seal Team Delta 6 Recon Ranger  **bleep** laid out?

Look bro, Battlefield is a dynamic, chaotic, and messy game to play. It's like herding cats as a dog. It's actually a miracle people win any games of anything.  

I went through the same beta you did bro, I got worked by the shotguns like you did. When I was 30-40 yards away from a dude with one and he dumped 3 rounds in my **bleep** and called it over. I was shocked, I was appalled, and I then I was happy. Because Shotguns were BACK!

You know what the Engineer's Main weapon in Battlefield 2 was? THIS. This shotgun that we have currently, IS WITHOUT A DOUBT Return to form. 

TL;DR: GITGUD.