PC players forced into cross-play again
We all know that EA (and so, DICE too) care way more about marketing and money than actually giving customers what they want, but this cross-play stuff is more anti-consumer than even they will usual...
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Will you people PLEASE STOP with the cross-play is the problem complaint! It isn't cross-play! It is INPUT PREFERENCE! M&K vs Controller. EA/DICE have given advantages to controllers because people **bleep** and moan about not being as accurate, not being able to track targets, blah blah blah, excuse excuse excuse... so EVERYONE has to deal with controllers getting: 1) Reduced recoil, including on the move 2) Reduced bloom, including on the move 3) Aim Assist (like it or not) and 4) More control options.
M&K get Eff all but M&K is "better" than controller.... sure... that is the lie you tell yourself to justify the advantages. No amount of "top-end hardware" is going to allow a M&K to compete with a game coded to give controller the advantage. You have to be highly skilled to out gun controllers ALL the time... or cheating.
The only problem with cross-play is that the de-synchronization between PC and Console appears to be in console's favor. Sometimes it feels like they are 2 full seconds AHEAD of me. Even though I shoot first & hit first, I die first and it says I was hit with more shots, how can that be, even with the same weapon!? The net code, the desync, the hit registration, would still be a problem with cross-play disabled for all platforms. It would be less but still be there. So knock it off with the "no cross-play crap." What PC players want is NO CONTROLLER ADVANTAGES.
The problem I have is ZERO acknowledgement that controllers have an advantage. That the "net code" prioritizes console over PC. EA/DICE care more about controller player experience than M&K, more about console than PC. WHY!? Because console players are more likely to spend money in the in game shop! Because you dumb console players spend more money than PC does on dumb sh*t and they reward you for it by screwing PC.
You can't be the best gamer in the world if you only play a portion of the community. You can't be better than M&K players if you disable cross-play. I don't want to be the best BF6 player, but I do want a FAIR G D GAME and an ENJOYABLE PLAYING EXPERIENCE! That means not dying to some level 12 noob with an LMG who just ran in spraying with his 60rd drum, when I shot him at least 4 times with a TR-7 but oh no... I die first because he is using a controller and all my hits didn't register but because of AA, more of his shots hit center mass and therefore GIFT him the kill... yeah that is "fair and enjoyable game play!"
the controller really is that limited compared to a M&K. people are just in denial about it but Microsoft did a study on it 30 years ago lol. People let the human factor cloud their judgment. sure some controller players are pro and better than kb players but that is meaningless. Even with all those advantages you mentioned the game gives them, no the mouse and kb player does not have to be cheating to be as consistent at them on avg. Which actually goes both ways. Humans in general have streaks and slumps, consistency is the thing that separates pros from amateurs, and of course not every super consisten pub star is the michael jordan of gaming and is absolutely suspicious. 40% of players have used cheat engines according to online gaming polls over the years, and probably 80% stack teams/smurf/sandbag/tier slum.... The latter is actually worse for the community then aimbotting because it is way more prevalent, these kids don't see it as cheating, and at least if a bot is properly skill rated a matchup can still be competitive. So not every stacker is a hacker but every hacker is a stacker, and if you stop the stacking, you stop 90% of the hacking by virtue. Otherwise you just whistling into the wind and will never stop them.
Oh please... spare me your BS. 30 yrs ago... 30 yrs ago was 1995! Golden Eye wasn't even released until 1997! 30yrs ago study my a$$! Where do you pull these nice round numbers from? 40% of players have used cheats according to a poll... since when do people who play video games actually take polls (if you are going to mention polls, include it)!? The only polls I know gamers to give a rats a$$ about is Steam Hardware surveys. 80% sandbag... not in an age of auto assigning lobbies like for the last 10+ years! Back when we had private servers, yes, but not since lobbies were created. And worse than aimbotting?! Give me a effing break!? What are you smoking?! You stop 90% of the hacking!? Mother of God! You like pulling numbers out of thin air! Just say you don't know dude, just admit, there are problems that need addressed, you don't need to make up arbitrary numbers to make yourself seem intelligent or attempt to reinforce your argument. You sound like a guy who always jumps into a conversation with "Um, actually..."
Controllers used to be limited. Not any more including hardware wise. People have had enough time and practice to "get good" and shouldn't need any "help." When you give a decent player and additional software advantage, it makes it that much harder to beat them. IDGAF about pros, I care about the lobbies I play in and I am speaking on what I see and experience. My experience is not fun, not enjoyable, does not seem fair and the more I learn about the game, the more I find out it is stacked against me. There is a point when you just walk away because it isn't worth the time and effort. That is why I am posting my long dribble... to hopefully, knowing I will not, catch the attention of EA/DICE and they make changes to the game so I do not walk away. I have about as much chance in that as I do believing you won't make up some number in your next post.
Since you did peak my interest I did look it up, seeing as you were too lazy to do it and would rather wish numbers into being. Per Grok...
I asked "According to online gaming polls, how many players across all gaming platforms have admitted to using some kind of cheat in their games?"Poll/Survey Date Sample Size Key Statistic Details YouGov & PLITCH (US gamers) ~2022 Not specified 57% admitted to using cheats Includes single-player (37%) and multiplayer cheats (e.g., codes for infinite ammo). Broadest definition of "cheats." Across platforms. Irdeto Global Gaming Survey (multiplayer gamers in 6 countries: China, Germany, Japan, South Korea, UK, US) 2018 5,911 gamers 37% confessed to cheating (43% have used third-party tools) Breakdown: 3% always, 9% often, 13% sometimes, 12% rarely. Focused on third-party tools (e.g., hacks) in online multiplayer games. 57% never used such tools. Time2Play (US gamers) 2023 1,019 No total % admitted, but high acceptance 77% said cheating is acceptable; many admitted specific methods (e.g., ~30% aimbots). PlayStation users admitted most. These polls show cheating is common, especially in single-player (less stigmatized) or with broad definitions. Multiplayer third-party cheating is lower (~37-43%). Recent 2025 reports like PlaySafe ID focus on encountering cheaters (80%), not self-admission, with 62% admitting temptation. No newer polls contradict these figures.
And you can't even trust these are accurate numbers. People lie and data collectors tend to manipulate data in their favor (depending on who pays for the polling efforts). I may as well have trusted CNN when they said Hilary was going to win the 2016 election... BWAHAHAA!!! Nope.well in recent years I was following online chess. I thought they had the potential to change the direction of the world since they bridge the gap between the physical and digital realms since they are essentially the same game online and offline and they blew up right after covid. But they turned out to have the most cheaters of all communities. hahaha. In that community a famous Grand Master and former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik posted a poll, and you pretty much just concurred. Glad you weren't too lazy to find out what is obvious to most. But yet you still deny it is true? lol
I come from quake 1 online. I been gaming for a long time brother. I've known people in real life that have cheated ( i never once have and would defriend them ). Ands its a problem. back then at least you could keep players "too good" off your server" Now in these woke times if you did your server gets lagged out or booted offline. And the game companies think its immoral cause of woke ideology..lol In BF3 people were literally paying 50 dollars a month for hack subscriptions with tech support and everything. Alot of these direct x errors and crashes people get? are malicious brother. In the 90s it happened too but was considered science fiction. For example frying someones gigabyte bios was a thing in the 90s, and still a thing today. hacking someones cfg in quake so they were always drowning. To see people 30 years later still in denial, well....that probably why you say crazy things like controller players have an unfair advantage over mouse and keyboard users on pc's lmao....
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