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BeefNachoSupreme
Seasoned Rookie
4 days ago

We need AI Cheating Bans

EA already has an overzealous name, chat, voice, etc. autoban system.  Why don't we have an AI autoban system?  Cheating impacts players far more, yet they let players get away with hardware cheating on cosnole and PC.  Is it because they're afraid of how many players they'll end up banning?  At this point it's easy to see that 20-30% or more of players in any game are using subtle cheating to increase their playing.  

5 Replies

  • Ruxem's avatar
    Ruxem
    Seasoned Veteran
    1 day ago

    The AI for the chat is already over zealous. An AI for cheating benefits only the most dog-water of players, who could possibly never play well. 

    So probably you, I'm guessing.

  • twixczzz's avatar
    twixczzz
    Seasoned Rookie
    1 day ago

    Well, let's see when the AI ​​catches you and gives you a false positive ban. How cool are you that it just happens. And then the AI ​​support rejects you, saying the ban is justified. And no.. you are not safe.

  • fzydwn's avatar
    fzydwn
    Rising Novice
    1 day ago

    because ai isn't good at reasoning. AI is good at trying to appease you by guessing what you wanted it to do. So at any point, it could decide a certain K/D was too high based on it guessing you would have thought that was a good answer for it to give. It could also hallucinate or create scenarios that don't exist as pretext for why it chooses to do something else.  AI is not helpful, it should be used for parsing lots of data to help humans make decisions quicker by churning through data. BUTTTT it could still be given pure uncorrupted data and still **bleep** the bed trying to be right. Example: it's given a batch of non cheaters, but math and probability state for every 1k players 1 should be found. It's going to find one regardless of if data supports it. 

  • BeefNachoSupreme's avatar
    BeefNachoSupreme
    Seasoned Rookie
    2 days ago

    I'm fine with mistakes being made.  If a few top .000001% players get unfairly banned so that the vast majority can play cheater free, that wouldn't bother me at all.  

  • twixczzz's avatar
    twixczzz
    Seasoned Rookie
    3 days ago

    Heh... if you use an AI anti-cheat like anybrain, you can live in fear that you will get banned too :D

    AI makes mistakes, a live person on support should check it but you will still get banned. Look what it did to ARC RAIDERS..

    Fake bans everywhere you look.

    Companies hide behind the fact that they can't tell you why you got banned. For the sake of integrity and so that the cheater can't edit his cheats... but in reality they don't have data on what caused the ban. So it could be some small thing that has nothing to do with the game but they will get you banned. Support will write to you to edit your gaming environment so that it is in accordance with the game's terms... but how can you edit something if you don't know what?

    AI anti-cheat is the way to hell... but the company's management is satisfied. Because it puts numbers in the report and then they can say how many people are banned and how they improve the experience. Why do you think there are so many people writing that they are banned? It's not that the cheater is defending himself. The cheater buys a new account for a few dollars and keeps going. Why would he write that? This is written by people who are really confused and don't know why they are banned.

    The AI ​​anti-cheat took away their access to the game for 60 euros, ruined their reputation and the only information you get is that the ban is justified and that they violated the TOS.

    But I think this will be legally looked after in a few years.

     

    But what about the game... it can be survived but false positives happen in real life too and it's much worse:

    Robert Williams (Detroit, 2020): This was the first publicly known case of a wrongful arrest caused by AI. The system falsely matched his old driver's license photo with security footage from a luxury watch theft. Williams was detained for over 13 hours. In 2024, the city of Detroit settled a lawsuit with him, paying damages and implementing strict new rules on AI usage.

    Robert Dillon (Florida, 2024): Police in Jacksonville Beach used facial recognition software that claimed a 93% match between Dillon and a suspect wanted for child exploitation. Dillon had never even visited the city, which was 300 miles away from his home. He later filed a lawsuit against the department for relying solely on the AI ​​without conducting further independent investigation.

    Porcha Woodruff (Detroit, 2023): She was arrested at her home while eight months pregnant for a robbery and carjacking she did not commit. The AI ​​system selected her from an old mugshot. The charges were dismissed when it became obvious the police relied on a flawed automated match without checking physical evidence.

    Angela Lipps (Tennessee/North Dakota, 2025): She spent nearly five months in jail after an AI-driven investigation linked her social media profile to a bank fraud scheme in another state. Bank records and defense work eventually proved she had no connection to the crime.

     

    The last case is terrible.. it happened here too:

    Abandon all hope, ye who banned here. | EA Forums - 13497650 

    He also waited X days before being unbanned and it turned out to be a false positive.

     

    So no. I don't trust this AI at all... 

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