AA guns too op I can't get a kill in a plane all my plane all rank 0 need them rank up hard to do if get shot by AA

The problem right now is, infantry players only see black & white. "Planes are bad and op" is the common perception.And this perception appears to be the strongest in players who did even fly or did not fly more then 5 hours.And it seems they are the loudest majority in the forums.They only have planes as one enemy.They dont see that there are different planes AND different pilots.They dont see that currently even if you have all upgrades for free, all non rocket planes are literally useless in most cases. They dont seperate CQ&Breakthru.They dont seperate Pacific and Vanilla.They flame about bombers but dont see that a fighter plane, which should have the sole purpose can not hunt a bomber because you die in 4-5 hits. They dont see that the current AA range allows to interfere in 3/4 of the map. They think that rocket range is more or equal to the AA range, which it is in fact NOT the case. Rockets dust off / disappear in the great nothing at the same range. They dont acknowledge that the changes DICE did with making the AA and FF stronger made the problem far worse then it was before!Why? Because Dice gave em a little satisfaction in killing a plane easier now. What should have DICE done instead? Reduced AA damage on range. But make it more damage the closer you are to the AA. (AA needs to be deadly)Reduced the rocket damage to infantry close to zero. Increase the rocket drop. Increase bullet drop. Increase the MG damage to infantry. (a plane needs more bullets to kill infantry than infantry to kill infantry, why?) Keep the 91 dmg from FF. (one infatry player should not be able to take out a tank or a plane solo)

@masterchris889 Although you say AA guns are too op, on the other side of the argument, the same could be said about planes. I think that you need to get more time in-game with planes, keep trying to learn how to evade enemies and their AA and eventually you will. There are many people who play with one weapon or vehicle and seem to master it. Planes are a perfect example, and to be honest, AA's are too. Most people I see on AA generally cannot hit anything, but there are good AA players who know where to aim and get hits on enemies. Keep working at it and good luck!

Hey @masterchris889 I initially didn't enjoy the changes to AA but they were arguably under-powered originally. Now I actually find attacking them quite fun. Best advice I can give you off the top of my head would be:- Learn where the AA guns are on maps as much as possible. When they're in use the icon disappears so you have advance warning. Some AA guns are towable so can still surprise you, but it's great for static ones.- Keep an eye on the skies. If you see AA clouds in the distance then you know you might be in trouble soon.- Take evasive action. You're probably not going to win a head-on fight with AA (sometimes you do) so if you start taking hits, dive and break line of sight.- Be smart when attacking AA. The angles AA users have are sometimes a bit limited. Use it to your advantage and try hitting them from a blind spot.- Use other pilots as bait and kill the enemy using the AA gun while they're distracted.- Take the perks that reduces explosive damage when you can.- Planes with rockets have a bit more advantage when attacking AA right now (when you get the hang of their range etc you can almost fire and forget). I mention this as you may have an easier time levelling these planes up. No guarantee of course.

So, just give all player all the upgrades for planes for free? :D

I can hop into any SAA seat and clear the skies very quickly of even very-distant targets .I can just as easily be Rocketed out of that seat by those same very-distant targets .I can put four or five Flak shells onto a Plane about to fire those Rockets , run away from the Rockets , and then hop on again to fire on their retreat .Not every time , not all the time . . . in fact only twice .But it can be done .I didn't just show up able to do this .Neither did those highly-skilled Pilots .We've worked on it for a long time .Died for it repeatedly in fact , so-oGit Dyin' , I guess (with a learnin' yearnin' towards 'or not')

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N4v1s
5 years ago
@CELSI_GEROf course there is an edit option. In the top right hand corner of your post you can find a three dot symbol, that opens a drop down menu allowing you to edit your post.
I do agree with you, that ground vs air combat is hard to balance. However, they balanced it way better in previous itterations of the game like BF4. I think your suggestions of removing ground vs air combat for the most part is a little bit drastic and would defently encounter resistance in the community. Planes have been a part of the franchise from the beginning. BFBC and Hardline are exceptions and didn´t have planes due to the maps being ways smaller, than in the main games.
CELSI_GER
5 years ago
@N4v1s
Thank you for your hint about the "3 dots" button. At first could still not find it, it took me a while to realize that the "dark theme" on my mobile browser made it merely invisible for me.... stupid me 🙂

Yes, I also think that removing planes is not an optimal solution and that planes belong to a real Battlefield game.
But look what happened in BFV: The complex game parameters, the multitude of weapons and gadgets... the game got so complex that they could not find a decent ground <> balance anymore. Instead they changed and changed and changed it with every update, enraged pilots as well as ground an divided the community. I almost "hate" planes in BFV now, sometimes I "camp" in SAA or with Fliegerfaust all map long just to annoy the pilots. How did I turn from a decent pilot (in all former BFs) into a plane hater? Did my character suddenly turn me into an a*hole or is there just something fundamentally wrong with the game?

The bottom line is: BF6 will be even more complex. I have absolutely no hope that ground<>air balance will be any better than in BFV. Not only because BFV made me lose my faith in Dice's competence and willingness to deliver a sophisticated game, but also because I myself cannot see a good solution.

So maybe removing planes or at least suppress infantry<>plane battle is the lesser evil than again 2 years of Dice bungeling with ingame balance and enraging/deviding the community until they abandon the game again because they realize that it cannot be fixed.

Sorry for my English. I feel that I often could not find the right words to say what I wanted to say. I hope you can understand anyway
tempo_rarity
5 years ago
I can hop into any SAA seat and clear the skies very quickly of even very-distant targets .
I can just as easily be Rocketed out of that seat by those same very-distant targets .
I can put four or five Flak shells onto a Plane about to fire those Rockets , run away from the Rockets , and then hop on again to fire on their retreat .
Not every time , not all the time . . . in fact only twice .
But it can be done .
I didn't just show up able to do this .
Neither did those highly-skilled Pilots .
We've worked on it for a long time .
Died for it repeatedly in fact , so-o
Git Dyin' , I guess (with a learnin' yearnin' towards 'or not')
N4v1s
5 years ago
@tempo_rarity And I tried for a long time as well. On Iwo Jima good pilots killed me from so far away, that I wasn´t able to hit them once, even if I did spot them targeting me. I know that there is a skillgap. However, I don´t enjoy any gameplayfeature, where I don´t even get a chance to fight back.
DesertBaerchen
5 years ago
@N4v1s We need a Chance to fight back...

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