so, about that front page news......
@middlefngrsalute wrote:so, about that front page news......
What front page news??
Also I highly suggest NOT updating your Nvidia drivers to the beta version because since I did that my game (which had been running at 30 FPS on high graphics) has started running at 6 FPS.
Edit:
Out of desperation I turned my graphics to the absolute minimum (because I was in the middle of a battle and 6 FPS makes the game unplayable) and I'm still only getting 30 FPS, while my game looks like someone poured water over it.
Do not update your drivers.
@aspirechan wrote:
@middlefngrsalute wrote:so, about that front page news......
What front page news?? (that was just a shameless bump to get back on the main page of the forum)
Also I highly suggest NOT updating your Nvidia drivers to the beta version because since I did that my game (which had been running at 30 FPS on high graphics) has started running at 6 FPS.
i highlighted it in the release note for the driver.
that means that I might have been correct about teh 344.65 driver
being the most stable, thus far?
@middlefngrsalute wrote:
@aspirechan wrote:
@middlefngrsalute wrote:so, about that front page news......
What front page news?? (that was just a shameless bump to get back on the main page of the forum)
Also I highly suggest NOT updating your Nvidia drivers to the beta version because since I did that my game (which had been running at 30 FPS on high graphics) has started running at 6 FPS.
i highlighted it in the release note for the driver.that means that I might have been correct about teh 344.65 driver
being the most stable, thus far?
Lol understood.
But no, since I updated my driver to the beta one I cannot play the game anymore, it's worse now with the game sitting happily at 6 FPS unless the game is on low with 25% resolution and then it only sits at 30 FPS. Something really broke this time.
Just a brief dislcaimer:
\nAny suggestions posted in the main post here, or in this thread, may or may not work for everyone.
\nUse them, as you will, at your own risk.
\n\nPlease read this post before posting in the thread. Thank you. -MFS
\n\n\nBASIC BEHIND THE SCENES INFO -- WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE THE GAME
\n\n
I have been in contact with Tier 2 Support (EA), and they say (BIOWARE) is aware of,and investigating the draw distance issues.
\n\n
People that are crashing or having high system resource usage, may be affected by this \"bug/glitch\" where render distances are abnormally high, or inversely, abnormally low.
\n\n
The way that this was explained to me..., the game is rendering things at some astronomically long distance or extremely close if not negative distances, which is causing the resource usage to skyrocket, and hence, causing crashes, stuttering, poor performance, lock ups, freezes, etc., regardless of what people have their settings at.
\n\n
It is being investigated, from what I have been told. I am hopeful that a working patch will be implemented soon.
\n\n
I have several issues that have been escalated to the studio, and several that are being researched by tier 3 support, before being forwarded on, to the studio.
\n\n
I will re-post as soon as I have any more information.
\n\n
_UPDATE_
The game is currently misallocating the system resources, cpu, gpu, ram, pagefile and vram. This is due to bugs in the coding for Speed Tree, and draw distances. This is what is causing high usage spikes across all (random access and temporary) storage, and processing media, which in turn causes the stuttering, lags, crashes, etc. (Including SSDs? - VERIFIED! 12-31-14)
-Addendum-
\nFor those of you using SSDs, please be careful...
\nSeveral people have noticed large writes to the SSDs (upwards of 20GB).
\nThis may be due to allocation issues I mentioned (the game usage of the pagefile).
\nI might suggest, that you turn off system managed, or manual page filing for that drive,
\nand see if that reduces the writes to your SSD.
\n\n\nAll of the issues that everyone is facing, regardless of platform, cannot be fixed, player-side.
\n(However, there are some things that can be done to reduce stuttering, and extend play time between crashes.)
\nIT IS A CODING ISSUE (or issues) within the game, that BioWare will have to address.
\n\nNow please do not take offense, or take this the wrong way.
\nI have tried many of the fixes in this forum, myself, with little to no improvement, however,
\nmy system does seem to be more stable overall.
\n\n
Many of the suggestions are really good, and do benefit stability, and longer game play between
\ncrashes (with Nvidia cards) and slightly less jittery performance with AMD and Mantle api.
\n\n
I have tried both Nvidia, and AMD graphics cards, and I am most stable with AMD using the Mantle API.
\n\n
this does not mean go out and buy amd graphics cards, just to play this game.
\nwhat it means is that the game needs an overhaul of a great degree, to be more Nvidia GPU friendly, and more stable overall.
\n\n
Lastly, from the response I received earlier today, (12-16-14) from the tier 2 reps is that the studio is actively addressing this issue.
\nAnd we should be seeing a patch/update in the very near future, unfortunately they could not give me a specific date.
\n\nI am expecting another call back from them early next week. I will report again, when I have more information.
\n\n-Additional notes on what is happening inside the game-
\n\nDirextX Errors and Crashes
\nBecause of the misallocation of resources, it is suspected that the crashes (with nvidia gpus) is being caused by timeouts.
\nBasically what is happening is that the Origin App and the Windows Operating system, are arguing with eachother,
\nover who is in control of the game, and this is what causes the dxgi_device hung_ error...
\nand why the graphics card drivers are re-enabled by windows once you get out of the game and close it down.
\n\nComplete Shutdowns and Restarts
\nComplete powerdowns or system restarts are usually caused by over taxing your PSU... drawing too many amps.
\njust double check that the wattage and amperage rating for you GPUS and cpu, do not over draw your PSU.
\nfor instance, I need to upgrade my PSU, though I have not powered off or down during game play, but here are my stats...
\npsu antec 900w 80% + Bronze certified.
\nI have 4 +12v rails at 40 Amps each across 850Watts
\nmy AMD dual R9720 DCUII OC 2GB each draw 500 watts @ 38Amps
\nand my AMD FX-8350 8-core @ 4Ghz draws 125w
\nso technically I should upgrade my PSU just due to power consumption of my GPUs alone...
\n\nAnother cause for shutdowns is overheating.
\nLack of airflow across major components like gfx cards, motherboard, heatsyncs, radiator(s), etc.
\nmake sure that your fans and heatsinks are as dust free as possible.
\nif you are running into overheating issues, and have a side access panel, take it off,
\nor remove the outer shell, and run a small window or non-oscillating fan into the case.
\n\nfor dust build-up, blow the heatsinks off with compressed air (low pressure 10-25 psi)
\nthis can be accomplished in several ways...
\nthat emergency tire pump in the back of your car or truck.....
\nan airbrush pump (for those artists out there)
\nor just go to a Target store, Office Max, Office Depot, or other electronics store and by
\n\"canned air\" \"air in a can\".... (and make sure you use the plastic straw that's taped to the side of the can!)
\nand follow the directions on the can, to keep it from freezing up in your hand, and leaking onto your components!
\n\nDrivers
\nFor those of you using nvidia gpus, roll your driver back to the 344.65 drivers.
\nI have tried the newest 347.09 drivers, and I am still crashing.
\nWith the 344.65 drivers I was not crashing as frequently.
\n\nDo a custom, clean, install, and ONLY INSTALL the graphics driver and physx. (unless you need
\naudio for hdmi)(or the 3d drivers for 3d hardware) also do not install nvidia experience.
\n\nI found that GPU usage was nearly halved, when I did this.... from a pegged 100% to about 50-60% usage.
\n(and that was with dual GTX 760 DCUII OC 2GB in SLI + GTX460 (physx))
\n\nFor AMD users, update to the newest 14.12 drivers you should see similar results.
\n\nROLL BACK TO PREPATCH
\nCurrently the Origin App is designed to force update games to the latest version on the server,
\nregardless of whether or not you have updates turned off....
\nthis setting only applies to future updates to games you already have installed.
\nIf you are doing a re-install, it will automatically update to the latest version on the server.
\nIt currently does not support update roll backs. [GRUMBLE, GRUMBLE, ARRRGH!!!!):robotmad:
\n\nHow to check for game version
\nC:\\Program Files(x86)\\Origin Games\\Dragon Age Inquisition\\_Installer
(or your game installation folder if on a different drive or in a different location)
file -> installerdata.xml
\n\n\n(5th line down from the top)
<gameVersion version=\"1.0.0.?\" />
1.0.0.2 patch (released Dec. 9, 2014)
1.0.0.3 hotfix (released Dec 10, 2014)
Also even with origin in game turned of, i am still getting achievement pop-ups...
\nwill advise tier 2 of this issue as well. This has been escalated to the origin app team, as a bug report.
\nand they will be looking into it. It was suggested to update origin to the beta version, in the meantime,
\nand seeing if the issue persists.
\n(if anyone cares to test this, it would be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance!)
\n\nScreen Resolution and Refresh Rates
\nA possible fix for flickering trees, landscape, and grass...
\ngo to your ingame settings,
\nyour screen settings ... make the refresh rate just below your screens native refresh rate.
\n(i.e. monitor native refresh 60HZ, change setting to 59.94HZ) [you may have to restart the game to get this to work]
\nThis may or may not work for some. If it does not, it has also been corrected by disabling SLI / CROSSFIRE
\n\nThe game is desgined to run off of your screen's/monitor's/TV's native resolution and refreshrate.
\nIf you have more than one screen, the game is most stable when you run the game in Fullscreen mode,
\nat its native resolution and refresh rate, for your main monitor. However, I have found that by running in
\nwindowed fullscreen mode, it is easier to alt+tab out of the game, in case it crashes or hangs. And just
\nalt+tab to the directX window, and hitting enter to exit the game, rather than to the desktop, and using the task
\nmanager to shut the game down. Also, this way, you can see if there actually is an error message before shutting
\nthe game down.
\n\nIf you try to to lower your resolution (i.e. from 1920x1080 to 1600x900) you will see and/or have problems when running
\nAMD GPUs, with the manlte api in windowed fullscreen, and sometimes in fullscreen mode.
\nand may cause a device lost error similar to the direct x error, but for the mantle api.
\n\nIf your game image changes to a black screen with a bunch of horizontal (or vertical) lines, hit CTRL+ ALT + DEL, but DO NOT hit enter.
\nhit ESCAPE instead, you may have to hit escape several times for it to take you out of the garbbled screen.
\nthis will also happen with windows media player as well.
\n\nSave Games
\nThe game on PC currenlty caps the number of saves you can make.
\nIt is curren'ty capped at 250 saves. This was done to keep from inundating the cloud save server.
\nI reached the cap at only level ten, on my first playthrough.
\nThe workaround for this, is to make additional folders in your saves folder.
\nI generally make a new one with each new character, and name it the new characters name.
\n\n
The game will slow down over time, because the more saves it has to read and load... obviously, the longer it will take.
\n\n
So what I do is every 20,30, or 40 saves, is to take everything but the profile files, and the last few, most recent (1-5) saves and move
\nthem into the current characters folder.
\n\n
you will run into instances where file names are duplicated, when saving,
\nwhen you get the pop-up stating that you already have a file by this name,
\nput a checkmark in (do this for all conflicts) and select copy but keep both files,
\nby doing this it also allows you to backup your saves to a thumb drive, hdd, SSD,
\nor other storage media, as well
\n\nCLOUD SAVES
\nThis game is already resource intensive.
\n1.) I would suggest, turning off ALL overlay programs or functions that are coming from outside the game.
\n\n2.) Turn origin in game -OFF- for DA:I
\n\n3.) Play in offline mode for single player campaign... (obviously you have to have connection for MP)
\n\n4.)Only rely on local hard saves, as the ones from the cloud could be compromised,
\ncorrupted, or not synced (and you lose a lot of game play) and they aren't usually as
\nsecure as the saves on your PC.
\n\nThis will eliminate any lag caused by communication between your system and the server....
\n(and if the server is ever down your buggered anyway)
\nSo, unless you are playing multiplayer, play in offline mode.
\n\nPossible conflicts with windows updates dated 10 Dec. 2014
\n\nMicrosoft releases \"Silver Bullet Patch\" <<<< open this in another tab or window, as it is an external link
\n\nHow to Delete Origin Cache files
\nCompletely close out of origin before doing this.
\n\n
Delete only the origin folder in each of these locations:
\nc:\\users\\<your account's user name>\\appdata\\local (i.e. c:\\users\\fred\\appdata\\local)
\nc:\\users\\<your account's user name>\\appdata\\roaming
\nc:\\programdata
\n\n
If you can't find (or see) the appdata folder, then you need to go into your folder options,
\nand make sure to put a check mark next to \"show hidden files and folders\"
\nafter you have finished deleting the cache folders,
\nEMPTY YOUR RECYCLE BIN
\nNow, restart origin, and let if reverify everything it needs to. Don't mess with it, don't do anthing!
\nJust let it run and do what it does. This WILL take a while, especially if you have a lot of origin games, like I do.
\n\nTips to improve frame rate during game play
\n\nhttp://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631230-dragon-age-inquisition/70597812 <<<<outside link, open in new tab
\nKudos to tekmage01 for finding this info
\n\nMaterializing in the fade
\nFor those of you who materialize in the fade area, with the black steps,
\nmore than likely you have a command line option for forcing frame rate,
\neither in your launch option in origin,
\nor in your Desktop shortcut...
\nremove it an relaunch the game. you should now materialize in the jail cell
\nwhere you first meet Liliana and Cassandra.
\nIf you wish to continue using the frame rate command line, only add it AFTER waking up in Haven.
\nIf you have issues with the cutscenes \"racing\" or rushing, change the command line to reflect
\na 30 FPS cap. (simply change the 60's to 30's)
\n\nWired vs Wireless (especially for controllers and possibly for wireless mice)
\nhttp://segmentnext.com/2014/11/18/dragon-age-inquisition <<<<<open in new tab. external link
\n\nWhile perusing the many different sites for answers, (yes, still stuck here and not able to enjoy this or any other game)
\nI came across an article that pertained to wireless devices (namely controllers).
\nThe game by default will not recognize wireless devices. And it was suggested to use WIRED devices. (DUH!)
\nSo in summation for both wireless controllers (and possibly wireless mice)
\nThat the game may not recognize, or disconnect from said devices intermittantly,
\ncausing the inablity to use said devices on occasion (hover over highlights,
\ninability to use said device for input, the UI switching between input modes, [i.e. keyboard/keypad input (numberd conversation options),
\nto using the mouse to hover over and highlight the option before clicking on it, to no option... just the text in the option being visible.]
\nso if your wireless device also has a wired connector option... USE IT.
\nor break out that old dusty coreded one you've got stuck in your junk drawer...(and we know everyone has one) lol
\n\nVisual C++ 2012 / 2013 update 4
\nI have had some luck with this. My system does seem to be more stable.
\nFor 32 bit OS users, update to the x86 version.
\nFor 64 bit users update both the x86 and x64 versions.
\n\n\n|<<<<outside links. open in new tab
\n\n\n-Update Dec. 23, 2014-
\n\nI spoke again to a tier 2 (Tech Specialist) [EA]. We have gone over and through every single idea, that they have at thier disposal,
\nfor troubleshooting, and work arounds. At the end of a very lengthy conversation, which took place over multiple calls, uploaded
\nlogs, reports, and verbally conveyed personal gaming experience, the rep stated that we have exhausted everything that they and I
\ncan think of to narrow these issues down to a root cause. And unfortunately, with the lack of information that we are receiving,
\nfrom the studio, and not having the same tools, or developement software, we cannot resolve your issues. If your game is working
\n\"somewhat\", there is nothing further that we in tech support can do for you, until the studio releases more information, a patch,
\nupdate, or hotfix.
\nI just want to be very clear about this. Tech support has been very accomodating, polite, understanding, and very helpful! (at least they were to me). I have no complaints as to thier expertise, or knowledge. They only lack information from the developement studio.
\nThe tech specialists have assured me that they will escellate my issues to the studio. Now, as to when and if I get any feedback, that is an unknown. However, my issues will be investigated further, as to why I am experiencing the mis/overallocation of resources, crashes, lag, audio bugs mission glitches, and flickering terrain, trees and grass.
\n\n3D Vision settings and Windows 8.1
\nPosted by slimdavey310417
\nhttp://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3367
\n\nSpecs of the systems I have tested this game on.
\nPC1:
\nWindows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
\nAsus M5A99FX Pro 2.0 (Bios 2501)
\nAMD FX-8350 Black Edition 8-Core @4Ghz (Seidon 120M Liquid CPU Cooler 2x 120mm fans [1push+1Pull])
\n32GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 @1600 C9-9-9-24
\nDual Asus GTX 760 DCUII OC 2GB (in sli) (with and without Zotac GTX 460 1GB or Gigabyte GTX 660Ti 2GB dedicated to Physx)
\n2x WD Mainstream Black Lable 1TB Sata3 6GB/s (OS, Applcations, and general storage)
\n1x WD Mainstream Green Lable 3TB Sata3 6GB/s (games only)
\nHDMI Connected 40\" Magnavox 40MF401B 1920X1080p @60Hz
\n\nPC2:
\nWindows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
\nAsus M5A97 R2.0
\nAMD FX-4130 Quad Core
\n8GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 @1600 C9-9-9-24
\nDual Asus R9 270 DCUII OC 2GB (in crossfire)
\n1x WD Mainstream Black Lable 1TB Sata3 6GB/s
\nDVI-D Connected Acer 19\" 1600x900@60Hz
\n\nPC3:
\nSame as PC1 exept with
\nDual Asus R9 270 DCUII OC 2GB in crossfire
\n\nNvidia x60 Series GPUs
\nThis has also been comfirmed by an EA employee.
\nThere is a pattern of _60 series GPUs (460, 560, 760, including Ti )
\nHaving read through many of the PC related posts, and having GTX 760s installed on my system,
\nand with all of the issues I have been having with the game, and after doing a fair amount of research
\nThere does seem to be a pattern of the _60 series GPUs having more issues with the game, than with
\nother versions.
\nThe reason for this is not yet know, but is (supoosedly) being looked into at Bioware.
\n\nDumbing down your system
\n(which you shouldn't have to do, in the first place, but...)
\n(confirmed for me at least... no crashes after 30+ hours of play, still
\nget occasional stutters though, but the game is very playable now.)
\nThis game is obviously optimized for consoles.
\nWith that being said,
\nI have searched the internet to get the hardware specs of an XBOX One.
\nHere is what I found....
\nhttp://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Xbox_One_Hardware_Specs
\n\n| Feature | \nXbox One | \n
|---|---|
| Optical Drive | \nBlu-Ray/DVD [1] | \n
| Game DVR | \nYes, Upload Studio[2] | \n
| HDCP Encryption | \nNo for games | \n
| \n RAM \n | \n\n 8GB DDR3 | \n
| \n Flash Memory \n | \n\n 8GB Flash Memory [4] \n | \n
| CPU | \n8 Core AMD custom CPU [x86 architecture] Frequency: 1.75 GHz [5] | \n
| GPU | \nClock Speed: 853 MHz(originally 800 MHz) [AMD CND] \n Shader Cores: 768 | \n
| \n Storage \n | \n500 GB Hard Drive non-replaceable, External Hard Drive support available | \n
| Second Screen | \nSmartGlass App on Android, iOS, Windows Phone and Windows 8[7] | \n
| Cloud Storage | \nYes [8] | \n
| Mandatory Game Installs | \nYes [9] | \n
| Required Internet Connection | \nAfter Day One patch, No [10] | \n
| Used Game Fee | \nNo [11] | \n
| Backwards Compatibility | \nNone, Microsoft is exploring possibilites. [12] | \n
| Cross Game Chat | \nSkype, Party Chat [n] | \n
| Motion Control | \n\n\n | \n
| Voice Commands | \nYes, Kinect 2 is needed. [13] | \n
| Subscription Service | \nXbox Live [14] Required for Online Play | \n
| USB | \nUSB 3.0 x3 [15] | \n
| Live Streaming | \nYes, With Twitch.TV | \n
| Reputation Preservation | \nAchievements will be ported From Xbox 360. [16] | \n
| Networking | \nGigabit Ethernet, WiFi (A/B/G/N dual-band at 2.4ghz and 5ghz) includes WiFi Direct support [17] | \n
| \n A/V Hookups \n | \nHDMI input and output (4K support) | \n
| \n API \n | \n\n DirectX 11.2 \n | \n
| Mouse and Keyboard Support | \n\n Yes \n | \n
So what I have done, as an experiment, and with some pretty decent,
\nand with some very acceptable results, I might add...
\n(still get stut-t-t-terin from time to time, but no crashes as of yet)
\n1.) Disabled SLI,
\n2.)Underclock both of my Asus GTX 760 DCUII OC 2GB cards by -105MHz (even though sli is disabled),
\n3.) I have underclocked my ram to 1333 Mhz (from 1600Mhz),
\n4.) I have updates, and info sharing turned OFF in the ORIGIN APP.
\n5.) I have the origin app set to offline mode, when I play the game (obviously if you are going to play MP you can't do this)
\n6.) I am still using the 344.65 drivers with ONLY the main driver and physx installed.
\n7.) I am using MSI Afterburner with RTSS for overlays to monitor GPU temps and usage.
\n8.) I have removed my 5,000 BTU A/C
\n9.) I have added 5 x 120mm case fans + 1 x 200mm \"Bigboy\" Case fan for airflow and circulation.
\n(no longer have overheating issues - gpu(s) with load run around 45-50c - cpu even at full load still runs at around 30-35c)
\n10.) Disabled any services related to streaming, or network sharing that were running in the background... (i.e. windows media player network sharing service, Nvidia Shield Streaming sevice, Fraps, etc.)
\n(I disabled these services through the taskmanager > Services tab > services button.... and then setting each of the programs I mentioned to either disabled or manual)
\n11.) Changed \"Turbo Boost\" option, in bios, to \"Normal\" mode.
\n12.) Nvidia Control panel Options-
\nManually create profile for - DA:I exe
\nA.) All default settings except these 4 entries....
\n1.) *Cuda - GPUs - GPU 1 of 2 (in second set of dropdown list.)
\n{changed from all}. (for those of you with multiple gpus - 3x/4x SLI select your main card only! (will
\nbe marked as gpu 1 of 3 or gpu 1 of 4)
\n2.) Maximum pre-rendered frames - set to 3 - from use global default.
\n3.) Multi-display/Mixed-gpu acceleration - Single display performance mode
\n4.) Power management mode - prefer maximum performance
\n*The reason I chose to go with this option was to reduce the number of shader cores running,
\nto get it as close to the number of cores in an XBOX One (768 shader cores)
\nMy current configuration is PC1 (from above) with sli disabled, and no tertiary (third) card dedicated to physx.
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\nAny suggestions posted in the main post here, or in this thread, may or may not work for everyone.
\nUse them, as you will, at your own risk.
\n\nPlease read this post before posting in the thread. Thank you. -MFS
\n\n\nBASIC BEHIND THE SCENES INFO -- WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE THE GAME
\n\n
I have been in contact with Tier 2 Support (EA), and they say (BIOWARE) is aware of,and investigating the draw distance issues.
\n\n
People that are crashing or having high system resource usage, may be affected by this \"bug/glitch\" where render distances are abnormally high, or inversely, abnormally low.
\n\n
The way that this was explained to me..., the game is rendering things at some astronomically long distance or extremely close if not negative distances, which is causing the resource usage to skyrocket, and hence, causing crashes, stuttering, poor performance, lock ups, freezes, etc., regardless of what people have their settings at.
\n\n
It is being investigated, from what I have been told. I am hopeful that a working patch will be implemented soon.
\n\n
I have several issues that have been escalated to the studio, and several that are being researched by tier 3 support, before being forwarded on, to the studio.
\n\n
I will re-post as soon as I have any more information.
\n\n
_UPDATE_
The game is currently misallocating the system resources, cpu, gpu, ram, pagefile and vram. This is due to bugs in the coding for Speed Tree, and draw distances. This is what is causing high usage spikes across all (random access and temporary) storage, and processing media, which in turn causes the stuttering, lags, crashes, etc. (Including SSDs? - VERIFIED! 12-31-14)
-Addendum-
\nFor those of you using SSDs, please be careful...
\nSeveral people have noticed large writes to the SSDs (upwards of 20GB).
\nThis may be due to allocation issues I mentioned (the game usage of the pagefile).
\nI might suggest, that you turn off system managed, or manual page filing for that drive,
\nand see if that reduces the writes to your SSD.
\n\n\nAll of the issues that everyone is facing, regardless of platform, cannot be fixed, player-side.
\n(However, there are some things that can be done to reduce stuttering, and extend play time between crashes.)
\nIT IS A CODING ISSUE (or issues) within the game, that BioWare will have to address.
\n\nNow please do not take offense, or take this the wrong way.
\nI have tried many of the fixes in this forum, myself, with little to no improvement, however,
\nmy system does seem to be more stable overall.
\n\n
Many of the suggestions are really good, and do benefit stability, and longer game play between
\ncrashes (with Nvidia cards) and slightly less jittery performance with AMD and Mantle api.
\n\n
I have tried both Nvidia, and AMD graphics cards, and I am most stable with AMD using the Mantle API.
\n\n
this does not mean go out and buy amd graphics cards, just to play this game.
\nwhat it means is that the game needs an overhaul of a great degree, to be more Nvidia GPU friendly, and more stable overall.
\n\n
Lastly, from the response I received earlier today, (12-16-14) from the tier 2 reps is that the studio is actively addressing this issue.
\nAnd we should be seeing a patch/update in the very near future, unfortunately they could not give me a specific date.
\n\nI am expecting another call back from them early next week. I will report again, when I have more information.
\n\n-Additional notes on what is happening inside the game-
\n\nDirextX Errors and Crashes
\nBecause of the misallocation of resources, it is suspected that the crashes (with nvidia gpus) is being caused by timeouts.
\nBasically what is happening is that the Origin App and the Windows Operating system, are arguing with eachother,
\nover who is in control of the game, and this is what causes the dxgi_device hung_ error...
\nand why the graphics card drivers are re-enabled by windows once you get out of the game and close it down.
\n\nComplete Shutdowns and Restarts
\nComplete powerdowns or system restarts are usually caused by over taxing your PSU... drawing too many amps.
\njust double check that the wattage and amperage rating for you GPUS and cpu, do not over draw your PSU.
\nfor instance, I need to upgrade my PSU, though I have not powered off or down during game play, but here are my stats...
\npsu antec 900w 80% + Bronze certified.
\nI have 4 +12v rails at 40 Amps each across 850Watts
\nmy AMD dual R9720 DCUII OC 2GB each draw 500 watts @ 38Amps
\nand my AMD FX-8350 8-core @ 4Ghz draws 125w
\nso technically I should upgrade my PSU just due to power consumption of my GPUs alone...
\n\nAnother cause for shutdowns is overheating.
\nLack of airflow across major components like gfx cards, motherboard, heatsyncs, radiator(s), etc.
\nmake sure that your fans and heatsinks are as dust free as possible.
\nif you are running into overheating issues, and have a side access panel, take it off,
\nor remove the outer shell, and run a small window or non-oscillating fan into the case.
\n\nfor dust build-up, blow the heatsinks off with compressed air (low pressure 10-25 psi)
\nthis can be accomplished in several ways...
\nthat emergency tire pump in the back of your car or truck.....
\nan airbrush pump (for those artists out there)
\nor just go to a Target store, Office Max, Office Depot, or other electronics store and by
\n\"canned air\" \"air in a can\".... (and make sure you use the plastic straw that's taped to the side of the can!)
\nand follow the directions on the can, to keep it from freezing up in your hand, and leaking onto your components!
\n\nDrivers
\nFor those of you using nvidia gpus, roll your driver back to the 344.65 drivers.
\nI have tried the newest 347.09 drivers, and I am still crashing.
\nWith the 344.65 drivers I was not crashing as frequently.
\n\nDo a custom, clean, install, and ONLY INSTALL the graphics driver and physx. (unless you need
\naudio for hdmi)(or the 3d drivers for 3d hardware) also do not install nvidia experience.
\n\nI found that GPU usage was nearly halved, when I did this.... from a pegged 100% to about 50-60% usage.
\n(and that was with dual GTX 760 DCUII OC 2GB in SLI + GTX460 (physx))
\n\nFor AMD users, update to the newest 14.12 drivers you should see similar results.
\n\nROLL BACK TO PREPATCH
\nCurrently the Origin App is designed to force update games to the latest version on the server,
\nregardless of whether or not you have updates turned off....
\nthis setting only applies to future updates to games you already have installed.
\nIf you are doing a re-install, it will automatically update to the latest version on the server.
\nIt currently does not support update roll backs. [GRUMBLE, GRUMBLE, ARRRGH!!!!):robotmad:
\n\nHow to check for game version
\nC:\\Program Files(x86)\\Origin Games\\Dragon Age Inquisition\\_Installer
(or your game installation folder if on a different drive or in a different location)
file -> installerdata.xml
\n\n\n(5th line down from the top)
<gameVersion version=\"1.0.0.?\" />
1.0.0.2 patch (released Dec. 9, 2014)
1.0.0.3 hotfix (released Dec 10, 2014)
Also even with origin in game turned of, i am still getting achievement pop-ups...
\nwill advise tier 2 of this issue as well. This has been escalated to the origin app team, as a bug report.
\nand they will be looking into it. It was suggested to update origin to the beta version, in the meantime,
\nand seeing if the issue persists.
\n(if anyone cares to test this, it would be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance!)
\n\nScreen Resolution and Refresh Rates
\nA possible fix for flickering trees, landscape, and grass...
\ngo to your ingame settings,
\nyour screen settings ... make the refresh rate just below your screens native refresh rate.
\n(i.e. monitor native refresh 60HZ, change setting to 59.94HZ) [you may have to restart the game to get this to work]
\nThis may or may not work for some. If it does not, it has also been corrected by disabling SLI / CROSSFIRE
\n\nThe game is desgined to run off of your screen's/monitor's/TV's native resolution and refreshrate.
\nIf you have more than one screen, the game is most stable when you run the game in Fullscreen mode,
\nat its native resolution and refresh rate, for your main monitor. However, I have found that by running in
\nwindowed fullscreen mode, it is easier to alt+tab out of the game, in case it crashes or hangs. And just
\nalt+tab to the directX window, and hitting enter to exit the game, rather than to the desktop, and using the task
\nmanager to shut the game down. Also, this way, you can see if there actually is an error message before shutting
\nthe game down.
\n\nIf you try to to lower your resolution (i.e. from 1920x1080 to 1600x900) you will see and/or have problems when running
\nAMD GPUs, with the manlte api in windowed fullscreen, and sometimes in fullscreen mode.
\nand may cause a device lost error similar to the direct x error, but for the mantle api.
\n\nIf your game image changes to a black screen with a bunch of horizontal (or vertical) lines, hit CTRL+ ALT + DEL, but DO NOT hit enter.
\nhit ESCAPE instead, you may have to hit escape several times for it to take you out of the garbbled screen.
\nthis will also happen with windows media player as well.
\n\nSave Games
\nThe game on PC currenlty caps the number of saves you can make.
\nIt is curren'ty capped at 250 saves. This was done to keep from inundating the cloud save server.
\nI reached the cap at only level ten, on my first playthrough.
\nThe workaround for this, is to make additional folders in your saves folder.
\nI generally make a new one with each new character, and name it the new characters name.
\n\n
The game will slow down over time, because the more saves it has to read and load... obviously, the longer it will take.
\n\n
So what I do is every 20,30, or 40 saves, is to take everything but the profile files, and the last few, most recent (1-5) saves and move
\nthem into the current characters folder.
\n\n
you will run into instances where file names are duplicated, when saving,
\nwhen you get the pop-up stating that you already have a file by this name,
\nput a checkmark in (do this for all conflicts) and select copy but keep both files,
\nby doing this it also allows you to backup your saves to a thumb drive, hdd, SSD,
\nor other storage media, as well
\n\nCLOUD SAVES
\nThis game is already resource intensive.
\n1.) I would suggest, turning off ALL overlay programs or functions that are coming from outside the game.
\n\n2.) Turn origin in game -OFF- for DA:I
\n\n3.) Play in offline mode for single player campaign... (obviously you have to have connection for MP)
\n\n4.)Only rely on local hard saves, as the ones from the cloud could be compromised,
\ncorrupted, or not synced (and you lose a lot of game play) and they aren't usually as
\nsecure as the saves on your PC.
\n\nThis will eliminate any lag caused by communication between your system and the server....
\n(and if the server is ever down your buggered anyway)
\nSo, unless you are playing multiplayer, play in offline mode.
\n\nPossible conflicts with windows updates dated 10 Dec. 2014
\n\nMicrosoft releases \"Silver Bullet Patch\" <<<< open this in another tab or window, as it is an external link
\n\nHow to Delete Origin Cache files
\nCompletely close out of origin before doing this.
\n\n
Delete only the origin folder in each of these locations:
\nc:\\users\\<your account's user name>\\appdata\\local (i.e. c:\\users\\fred\\appdata\\local)
\nc:\\users\\<your account's user name>\\appdata\\roaming
\nc:\\programdata
\n\n
If you can't find (or see) the appdata folder, then you need to go into your folder options,
\nand make sure to put a check mark next to \"show hidden files and folders\"
\nafter you have finished deleting the cache folders,
\nEMPTY YOUR RECYCLE BIN
\nNow, restart origin, and let if reverify everything it needs to. Don't mess with it, don't do anthing!
\nJust let it run and do what it does. This WILL take a while, especially if you have a lot of origin games, like I do.
\n\nTips to improve frame rate during game play
\n\nhttp://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631230-dragon-age-inquisition/70597812 <<<<outside link, open in new tab
\nKudos to tekmage01 for finding this info
\n\nMaterializing in the fade
\nFor those of you who materialize in the fade area, with the black steps,
\nmore than likely you have a command line option for forcing frame rate,
\neither in your launch option in origin,
\nor in your Desktop shortcut...
\nremove it an relaunch the game. you should now materialize in the jail cell
\nwhere you first meet Liliana and Cassandra.
\nIf you wish to continue using the frame rate command line, only add it AFTER waking up in Haven.
\nIf you have issues with the cutscenes \"racing\" or rushing, change the command line to reflect
\na 30 FPS cap. (simply change the 60's to 30's)
\n\nWired vs Wireless (especially for controllers and possibly for wireless mice)
\nhttp://segmentnext.com/2014/11/18/dragon-age-inquisition <<<<<open in new tab. external link
\n\nWhile perusing the many different sites for answers, (yes, still stuck here and not able to enjoy this or any other game)
\nI came across an article that pertained to wireless devices (namely controllers).
\nThe game by default will not recognize wireless devices. And it was suggested to use WIRED devices. (DUH!)
\nSo in summation for both wireless controllers (and possibly wireless mice)
\nThat the game may not recognize, or disconnect from said devices intermittantly,
\ncausing the inablity to use said devices on occasion (hover over highlights,
\ninability to use said device for input, the UI switching between input modes, [i.e. keyboard/keypad input (numberd conversation options),
\nto using the mouse to hover over and highlight the option before clicking on it, to no option... just the text in the option being visible.]
\nso if your wireless device also has a wired connector option... USE IT.
\nor break out that old dusty coreded one you've got stuck in your junk drawer...(and we know everyone has one) lol
\n\nVisual C++ 2012 / 2013 update 4
\nI have had some luck with this. My system does seem to be more stable.
\nFor 32 bit OS users, update to the x86 version.
\nFor 64 bit users update both the x86 and x64 versions.
\n\n\n|<<<<outside links. open in new tab
\n\n\n-Update Dec. 23, 2014-
\n\nI spoke again to a tier 2 (Tech Specialist) [EA]. We have gone over and through every single idea, that they have at thier disposal,
\nfor troubleshooting, and work arounds. At the end of a very lengthy conversation, which took place over multiple calls, uploaded
\nlogs, reports, and verbally conveyed personal gaming experience, the rep stated that we have exhausted everything that they and I
\ncan think of to narrow these issues down to a root cause. And unfortunately, with the lack of information that we are receiving,
\nfrom the studio, and not having the same tools, or developement software, we cannot resolve your issues. If your game is working
\n\"somewhat\", there is nothing further that we in tech support can do for you, until the studio releases more information, a patch,
\nupdate, or hotfix.
\nI just want to be very clear about this. Tech support has been very accomodating, polite, understanding, and very helpful! (at least they were to me). I have no complaints as to thier expertise, or knowledge. They only lack information from the developement studio.
\nThe tech specialists have assured me that they will escellate my issues to the studio. Now, as to when and if I get any feedback, that is an unknown. However, my issues will be investigated further, as to why I am experiencing the mis/overallocation of resources, crashes, lag, audio bugs mission glitches, and flickering terrain, trees and grass.
\n\n3D Vision settings and Windows 8.1
\nPosted by slimdavey310417
\nhttp://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3367
\n\nSpecs of the systems I have tested this game on.
\nPC1:
\nWindows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
\nAsus M5A99FX Pro 2.0 (Bios 2501)
\nAMD FX-8350 Black Edition 8-Core @4Ghz (Seidon 120M Liquid CPU Cooler 2x 120mm fans [1push+1Pull])
\n32GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 @1600 C9-9-9-24
\nDual Asus GTX 760 DCUII OC 2GB (in sli) (with and without Zotac GTX 460 1GB or Gigabyte GTX 660Ti 2GB dedicated to Physx)
\n2x WD Mainstream Black Lable 1TB Sata3 6GB/s (OS, Applcations, and general storage)
\n1x WD Mainstream Green Lable 3TB Sata3 6GB/s (games only)
\nHDMI Connected 40\" Magnavox 40MF401B 1920X1080p @60Hz
\n\nPC2:
\nWindows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
\nAsus M5A97 R2.0
\nAMD FX-4130 Quad Core
\n8GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 @1600 C9-9-9-24
\nDual Asus R9 270 DCUII OC 2GB (in crossfire)
\n1x WD Mainstream Black Lable 1TB Sata3 6GB/s
\nDVI-D Connected Acer 19\" 1600x900@60Hz
\n\nPC3:
\nSame as PC1 exept with
\nDual Asus R9 270 DCUII OC 2GB in crossfire
\n\nNvidia x60 Series GPUs
\nThis has also been comfirmed by an EA employee.
\nThere is a pattern of _60 series GPUs (460, 560, 760, including Ti )
\nHaving read through many of the PC related posts, and having GTX 760s installed on my system,
\nand with all of the issues I have been having with the game, and after doing a fair amount of research
\nThere does seem to be a pattern of the _60 series GPUs having more issues with the game, than with
\nother versions.
\nThe reason for this is not yet know, but is (supoosedly) being looked into at Bioware.
\n\nDumbing down your system
\n(which you shouldn't have to do, in the first place, but...)
\n(confirmed for me at least... no crashes after 30+ hours of play, still
\nget occasional stutters though, but the game is very playable now.)
\nThis game is obviously optimized for consoles.
\nWith that being said,
\nI have searched the internet to get the hardware specs of an XBOX One.
\nHere is what I found....
\nhttp://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Xbox_One_Hardware_Specs
\n\n| Feature | \nXbox One | \n
|---|---|
| Optical Drive | \nBlu-Ray/DVD [1] | \n
| Game DVR | \nYes, Upload Studio[2] | \n
| HDCP Encryption | \nNo for games | \n
| \n RAM \n | \n\n 8GB DDR3 | \n
| \n Flash Memory \n | \n\n 8GB Flash Memory [4] \n | \n
| CPU | \n8 Core AMD custom CPU [x86 architecture] Frequency: 1.75 GHz [5] | \n
| GPU | \nClock Speed: 853 MHz(originally 800 MHz) [AMD CND] \n Shader Cores: 768 | \n
| \n Storage \n | \n500 GB Hard Drive non-replaceable, External Hard Drive support available | \n
| Second Screen | \nSmartGlass App on Android, iOS, Windows Phone and Windows 8[7] | \n
| Cloud Storage | \nYes [8] | \n
| Mandatory Game Installs | \nYes [9] | \n
| Required Internet Connection | \nAfter Day One patch, No [10] | \n
| Used Game Fee | \nNo [11] | \n
| Backwards Compatibility | \nNone, Microsoft is exploring possibilites. [12] | \n
| Cross Game Chat | \nSkype, Party Chat [n] | \n
| Motion Control | \n\n\n | \n
| Voice Commands | \nYes, Kinect 2 is needed. [13] | \n
| Subscription Service | \nXbox Live [14] Required for Online Play | \n
| USB | \nUSB 3.0 x3 [15] | \n
| Live Streaming | \nYes, With Twitch.TV | \n
| Reputation Preservation | \nAchievements will be ported From Xbox 360. [16] | \n
| Networking | \nGigabit Ethernet, WiFi (A/B/G/N dual-band at 2.4ghz and 5ghz) includes WiFi Direct support [17] | \n
| \n A/V Hookups \n | \nHDMI input and output (4K support) | \n
| \n API \n | \n\n DirectX 11.2 \n | \n
| Mouse and Keyboard Support | \n\n Yes \n | \n
So what I have done, as an experiment, and with some pretty decent,
\nand with some very acceptable results, I might add...
\n(still get stut-t-t-terin from time to time, but no crashes as of yet)
\n1.) Disabled SLI,
\n2.)Underclock both of my Asus GTX 760 DCUII OC 2GB cards by -105MHz (even though sli is disabled),
\n3.) I have underclocked my ram to 1333 Mhz (from 1600Mhz),
\n4.) I have updates, and info sharing turned OFF in the ORIGIN APP.
\n5.) I have the origin app set to offline mode, when I play the game (obviously if you are going to play MP you can't do this)
\n6.) I am still using the 344.65 drivers with ONLY the main driver and physx installed.
\n7.) I am using MSI Afterburner with RTSS for overlays to monitor GPU temps and usage.
\n8.) I have removed my 5,000 BTU A/C
\n9.) I have added 5 x 120mm case fans + 1 x 200mm \"Bigboy\" Case fan for airflow and circulation.
\n(no longer have overheating issues - gpu(s) with load run around 45-50c - cpu even at full load still runs at around 30-35c)
\n10.) Disabled any services related to streaming, or network sharing that were running in the background... (i.e. windows media player network sharing service, Nvidia Shield Streaming sevice, Fraps, etc.)
\n(I disabled these services through the taskmanager > Services tab > services button.... and then setting each of the programs I mentioned to either disabled or manual)
\n11.) Changed \"Turbo Boost\" option, in bios, to \"Normal\" mode.
\n12.) Nvidia Control panel Options-
\nManually create profile for - DA:I exe
\nA.) All default settings except these 4 entries....
\n1.) *Cuda - GPUs - GPU 1 of 2 (in second set of dropdown list.)
\n{changed from all}. (for those of you with multiple gpus - 3x/4x SLI select your main card only! (will
\nbe marked as gpu 1 of 3 or gpu 1 of 4)
\n2.) Maximum pre-rendered frames - set to 3 - from use global default.
\n3.) Multi-display/Mixed-gpu acceleration - Single display performance mode
\n4.) Power management mode - prefer maximum performance
\n*The reason I chose to go with this option was to reduce the number of shader cores running,
\nto get it as close to the number of cores in an XBOX One (768 shader cores)
\nMy current configuration is PC1 (from above) with sli disabled, and no tertiary (third) card dedicated to physx.
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@middlefngrsalute wrote:so, about that front page news......
What front page news??
Also I highly suggest NOT updating your Nvidia drivers to the beta version because since I did that my game (which had been running at 30 FPS on high graphics) has started running at 6 FPS.
Edit:
Out of desperation I turned my graphics to the absolute minimum (because I was in the middle of a battle and 6 FPS makes the game unplayable) and I'm still only getting 30 FPS, while my game looks like someone poured water over it.
Do not update your drivers.
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@middlefngrsalute wrote:so, about that front page news......
What front page news??
Also I highly suggest NOT updating your Nvidia drivers to the beta version because since I did that my game (which had been running at 30 FPS on high graphics) has started running at 6 FPS.
Edit:
Out of desperation I turned my graphics to the absolute minimum (because I was in the middle of a battle and 6 FPS makes the game unplayable) and I'm still only getting 30 FPS, while my game looks like someone poured water over it.
Do not update your drivers.
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@aspirechan wrote:
@middlefngrsalute wrote:so, about that front page news......
What front page news?? (that was just a shameless bump to get back on the main page of the forum)
Also I highly suggest NOT updating your Nvidia drivers to the beta version because since I did that my game (which had been running at 30 FPS on high graphics) has started running at 6 FPS.
i highlighted it in the release note for the driver.
that means that I might have been correct about teh 344.65 driver
being the most stable, thus far?
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@aspirechan wrote:
@middlefngrsalute wrote:so, about that front page news......
What front page news?? (that was just a shameless bump to get back on the main page of the forum)
Also I highly suggest NOT updating your Nvidia drivers to the beta version because since I did that my game (which had been running at 30 FPS on high graphics) has started running at 6 FPS.
i highlighted it in the release note for the driver.
that means that I might have been correct about teh 344.65 driver
being the most stable, thus far?
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@middlefngrsalute wrote:
@aspirechan wrote:
@middlefngrsalute wrote:so, about that front page news......
What front page news?? (that was just a shameless bump to get back on the main page of the forum)
Also I highly suggest NOT updating your Nvidia drivers to the beta version because since I did that my game (which had been running at 30 FPS on high graphics) has started running at 6 FPS.
i highlighted it in the release note for the driver.that means that I might have been correct about teh 344.65 driver
being the most stable, thus far?
Lol understood.
But no, since I updated my driver to the beta one I cannot play the game anymore, it's worse now with the game sitting happily at 6 FPS unless the game is on low with 25% resolution and then it only sits at 30 FPS. Something really broke this time.
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@middlefngrsalute wrote:
@aspirechan wrote:
@middlefngrsalute wrote:so, about that front page news......
What front page news?? (that was just a shameless bump to get back on the main page of the forum)
Also I highly suggest NOT updating your Nvidia drivers to the beta version because since I did that my game (which had been running at 30 FPS on high graphics) has started running at 6 FPS.
i highlighted it in the release note for the driver.that means that I might have been correct about teh 344.65 driver
being the most stable, thus far?
Lol understood.
But no, since I updated my driver to the beta one I cannot play the game anymore, it's worse now with the game sitting happily at 6 FPS unless the game is on low with 25% resolution and then it only sits at 30 FPS. Something really broke this time.
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