EA SPORTS FC™ TeamHere I was thinking this is a thread discussing the Deep Dive trailer. Instead, it's a online / offline debate 😉
Can I just....I don't think it was much of a deep dive. But I only watched it once. I found Natalie Pinkham distracting....although maybe it's because I'm a football fan and I find female presenters / punditry still quite shockingly bad - and it's quota filling BS. I didn't see Danica Patrick, but then I skipped any kind of Miami coverage, watching only the qualifying live.
Although Pinkham has been at it a while, I still struggle to see what she brings to the table. And to head off the sexism....Lazenby's the biggest waste of space on Sky F1.
@TotosHeadphones wrote:
@SteveJacksonJust to bring in another point; women have been excluded from the commentary space for quite a while, especially from Motorsports, so could be argued that they're playing catch up and hence the perceived difference in quality. I don't mind Pinkham, it's always difficult for females to offer great insight, at least on a technical part, in a sport that they aren't likely to have competed in like F1. But when we talk about "presenters", I agree that some presenters, both male and female are awful. I see why Danica Patrick has been recruited; to appeal to the US side and offer that US based opinion but she's lacklustre at offering anything useful.
This is so important, right? I don't know how that goes abroad but here in Brasil we see a great effort to make female representation on sports larger. The same channel that broadcasts F1 overhere is enforcing this by broadcasting the female national soccer league and even some games of smaller leagues - trying to engage audience.
Specifically on F1 we have Mariana Becker which has been covering F1 in loco for what? Maybe 20 years now. Very reputed in the paddock but clearly an exception.
(Last saturday she asked Alonso if Swift was some kind of money transfer or ~something else~ haha)
About Pinkham, with english not being my mother language, she has one of the cleanest accents of any international coverage, really easy to follow.
@dancrodrigues@mariohomohThat's the important thing, it comes down to quality not just because of the gender. Quality comes with experience of what they're talking about and being articulate enough to offer that knowledge. I think the issue comes when "pundits" are shoehorned in on the basis of the gender, regardless of their quality. I don't have issues with any female pundit, commentator etc, regardless of sport. However, when you have them in front of the camera just on the basis of them being a certain gender, that's where the issue lies as that's not true diversity.
Sky's coverage of Miami was tough to watch for me because frankly Danica offered nothing more than what somebody else who has more relevance in F1 could have done. In the same respect I enjoyed coverage when Lee Mckenzie was on. Sky's Bernie Collins could be a shrewd signing as a former race engineer but she hasn't found her personality yet. As I said, it really comes down to how motorsport has only recently allowed women to join the boys brigade. It'll get better, may take a while.
Can I give a shout out to Steve Jones who was probably the most irritating, cringe-worthy presenter ever to cover F1.
In my opinion I think we should give Pinkham some props along with Suzy Perry, Lee Mckenzie, Jennie Gow and Rosanna Tennant who made great strides in the UK F1 and motorsport scene when they were competing against grid girls and being possibly being labelled eye-candy. Although I do remember Suzy Perry sometimes being seen in half unzipped leathers in the motorbike magazines or lads mags....
At least today it's not like that for most parts at least...
If I've ever seen and been a part of a massive thread derailment....sheesh. Sorry
@TotosHeadphones wrote:Can I give a shout out to Steve Jones who was probably the most irritating, cringe-worthy presenter ever to cover F1.
Was? 😢
At least Jones is enthusiastic. Lazenby just looks out of his depth, he's been on the team as long as Pinkham IIRC?
Lazenby isn't even a himbo. Put it this way, I wouldn't * him to get to even Jenson Button 😃
@TotosHeadphones wrote:In my opinion I think we should give Pinkham some props along with Suzy Perry, Lee Mckenzie, Jennie Gow and Rosanna Tennant who made great strides in the UK F1 and motorsport scene when they were competing against grid girls and being possibly being labelled eye-candy. Although I do remember Suzy Perry sometimes being seen in half unzipped leathers in the motorbike magazines or lads mags....
At least today it's not like that for most parts at least...
If I've ever seen and been a part of a massive thread derailment....sheesh. Sorry
Lee McKenzie, Jennie Gow (get well soon), Rachel Brookes and for services to motorsport in general, Louise Goodman. All get props from me.
Hated Suzi Perry TBF she was a draft from motorcycling, not a good fit.
But honestly, Steve Rider and Jake Humphreys (* at football BTW, BT) are the definition of anchor, then you look at Lazenby and think; WTAF....
Ted Kravitz is great, sadly David Croft and Martin Brundle have become complete * bubbles since taking the Sky dollar.
@SteveJackson wrote:
@TotosHeadphones wrote:Can I give a shout out to Steve Jones who was probably the most irritating, cringe-worthy presenter ever to cover F1.
Was? 😢
At least Jones is enthusiastic. Lazenby just looks out of his depth, he's been on the team as long as Pinkham IIRC?
Lazenby isn't even a himbo. Put it this way, I wouldn't * him to get to even Jenson Button 😃
There's being enthusiastic and then's also trying to be cool with the kids and attempting to make the viewer think that he was best mates with the younger drivers in the paddock even though they didn't have a clue of who he was. In his first year, his knowledge was woeful and in the VT links he would make jokes that would fall flat with an older audience. C4 tried to have a young fronted presenter to pull in a younger crowd when they lost the F1 contact to Sky but they forgot that a lot of older viewers who didn't want to subscribe to Sky had no other means to watch the races. He alienated a whole lot of long time viewers. In his second year he reigned it back massively, was less of an irritant and improved his knowledge. Still wasn't the right person to front it my opinion.
Hahaha! Lazenby isn't by any means great but he can make a dull race seem like an epic wacky race with * Dastardly taking out the opposition with custard pies. He's really earning his beans this year on that front 🤣 But it's good that they pair him with a decent co-presenter so you can ignore him. I like Button, I also like Davidson. I don't know how I feel about Chandhok though, depends of what type of mood I'm in!
Edit: I'm thinking about Crofty. 😅
I’m old school… Hire people solely on merit.
@ScarDuck14Agreed but also allow them the opportunity to earn that merit. Then we won't ever be in the position where we feel people of certain genders (or ethnicities) are there just because
We really should get back on topic 🙂
@TotosHeadphones wrote:@ScarDuck14Agreed but also allow them the opportunity to earn that merit. Then we won't ever be in the position where we feel people of certain genders (or ethnicities) are there just because
We really should get back on topic 🙂
Seven pages later we are worried....why? 🙂
@TotosHeadphonesBut earning that merit froms from working your way up and takes time. You don’t earn merit by simply being pushed in at the deep end to fill a quota.
As for taking threads off topic.. We are infamous for it. And is far better than just single post threads screaming about something like the FIFA boards.
@fujipandasan I also don’t mind the current handling model except I miss the brake bias that was in the early stages of F1 2021 but any related improvements are always welcome! Besides is true that getting full throttle in F1 22 is harder than IRL so the more the game simulates the real the more I like it. Just my thoughts… 😉
@ScarDuck14 this is starting to sound 😍, I would go buy it now if I haven't already 😬🥳
