Shouldn't assists be slower?

My feeling on these types of questions about ABS etc. is that EA/CM is SELLING the fantasy of being a FAST F1 driver.

Take away the fantasy by nerfing ABS etc. and people will cry like never before imo.

Leagues face the same problem if they ban ABS etc. people wont show up. This makes competitive people jump to what works Jarno himself would jump to ABS if his competition was allowed to and FASTER....there is no shame in this.

As for the vid the steering is too twitchy need to slow something down to smooth it out imo.

Interesting conversation. I haven't anything really to add on the debate regarding assists being faster or slower and whether they should be needed. I understand @TigerAlen410 when you say you're finding it difficult that leagues aren't being filled due not being able to have a ban on ABS. Anybody would find it frustrating when you want to play with similar skilled players where you feel your competitors are on a level playing field.

After watching your video I will say this though, you may have to give up on the dynamic racing line assist. If I'm honest, I've been using the racing line as a crutch on games as I'm useless at finding braking points and I don't have the time to learn all the tracks. Recently I decided to stop using it and I've found that when I have figured out my points, I've been gaining time. As helpful as the dynamic line is, it can change your braking points and make your trailbraking less efficient. I've had to relearn how to trail brake as I was relying too much on the the dynamic line turning yellow to indicate I should begin easing off the brake. I doubt that this is the fastest way to drive. Give it a try, you never know

@ScarDuck14 You're entitled to be annoyed, nobody should be telling you how to play a game, especially when the developer has added options to help your experience in said game. But on the other hand, I do see the other side of the argument when social and multiplayer factors come into it.

Maybe I've read it wrong, or just trying to be open to the point that is being made, but I don't think @TigerAlen410 is being hostile towards users of the ABS assist. We are all playing the game how we wish to play it (barring trolls ruining your race online), some play for fun, some play for competition, some play just to improve themselves and reach targets. It's difficult to fix when the multiplayer experience is vastly different to the single player experience

Hey @TigerAlen410 

Screenshots from the frame the brake input pops up. Emoji hands always pointing to the white line for reference.

T10, opening up the flying lap:

T1:

T3 (or T2, depending on your faith):

T4:

@ScarDuck14 and @TotosHeadphones right on the money. By the way, a few paragraphs I wrote sometime ago in a different forum regarding the racing line assist:

The racing line can help you learn your way around a new track, as long as you apply a proper learning methodology to it. Actively look for braking markers, turn in points, and actively training yourself to look ahead in the distance. The usual good stuff you'd be doing if you were to learn a track without the RL assist.

Once you learn a track though, keeping the race line on sort of inevitably and involuntarily make you slower.

When you have it on, even though you're putting the effort to drive despite it, you instinctively register the cues to brake (red line) and to get on the throttle again (green line). And that will mess you up when you're racing.

As in, even if you know how to control the car and even if you've developed a feel for the FFB, once you're on the outside lane to, say, defend a position and are totally on top of the proper inputs to do so cleanly, just subconsciously registering that red/green line can make you instantly override your good judgement and respond to those cues again.

And that's assuming the programmed racing line actually uses the full width of the track. As you can see from the screenshots above, it definitely does not. The racing line assist will rarely, if ever, be the fastest way around the track. Its sole purpose is to give you cues for the general track markers, just that.

Now back to the general point, there's this unhealthy and misplaced obsession with assists and setups in the general F1 community. It's like fuming over VAR execution in the Premier League when all you do is play on the Sunday league with your buddies. This is not a dig at you @TigerAlen410 mind you, just a general comment on how off the mark these discussions can get. Worrying about the hundreds to a couple tenths, tops, that elite players can get using assists while the average joe could gain two full blown seconds just by working on the fundamentals of good driving.

I genuinely feel this franchise is not worth your time if you're looking into simracing or being competitive. This is a simcade title. The game is glaringly exploitable, the general player base largely uneducated. EA F1 should not be taken more seriously than calling up a couple pals and having a FIFA showdown on the weekend.

This is a pastime. There are copious amount of joy and satisfaction to get out of this franchise and other proper simracing titles, as long as you know what you're in for. Wasting energy on ABS or TC like these players do all the while not being able to turn in two laps in the same 0.2s to save their lives is thoroughly misguided – and unjust to ourselves. 

It's like Stephen Hawking once said. Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Ok so people saying to use more of the track, ok from the screenshots I can definitely see it, but the difference is not massive.

Also my steering is too twichy, in what way, how should I improve it?

But I kind of doubt those 2 reasons are costing me such a vast amount of time, maybe I could get 2 or 3 tenths in the whole lap with these things?

@TotosHeadphonesHaha what do you mean? I posted it on Reddit a while ago I think, don't remember ever saying it here.

@TigerAlen410put in the time, then turn up with the results. There's 1-2 tenth BY CORNER just from not using the whole track, and the T4 is definitely a "massive" difference when we're dealing with a sport of so fine margins.

That's assuming your braking points, track in and track out points are correct. Once I caught the racing line bit, I didn't bother checking those. You'll have to adjust them to your new line anyway so 🤷‍♂️

And it is not only about the skill ceiling. You absolutely need to elevate the skill floor as well. Get consistent. Worrying about what fine adjustments devs should be making to ABS and TC is nonsensical at this point.

Consider getting into telemetry as well. Throttle, brake and speed traces do not lie. There are a couple of telemetry services for F1 where you can compare your inputs to others', from the top of my head there's Track Titan and... F1 Laps? Heh, it's been a while.

They will literally, literally tell you how much time you're losing on each corner.

Edit: though this could also be attributed to wing settings, even your speed at the braking zones goes from lower to significantly lower relatively to the reference lap in those 4 corners alone. You're severely underestimating the performance impact of your choice of line.

When you turn the wheel the car slows down. The more you turn it the more you slow.    Trick to being fast is keeping your wheel straight.  Adding the smoothest and Minimum amount of steering angle through the corners and then open the steering asap.   You need to make  corners as short as possible by taking them as straight as possible.   Granted I didn’t watch it all but I’m smoother and more precise and. I use a controller.     

Well I will definitely try all those things you guys said and hopefully see some improvement.

The only one im afraid of is the racing line since like some user says the color changes were a bit of a reference when to ease the breaks etc... i feel like its going to be extremely hard without this.

For a quick telemetry comparison:

• Track Titan 
• F1 Laps
• EA's Racenet - Never used it, but I remember getting excited when the service debuted 

There's probably more, I don't know. F1 23 handles nicely, but I've drifted away from this franchise pari passu with their stagnation. As I've said, if you want to be competitive or to at least be rewarded for your time and effort, there are better titles out there.

Rewarded in fun and excitement, mind you. No "woohoo I'm a mean simracer I bet I could take on Latifi in go karting!" foolish attitude.

Simracing is a hobby and though there are definitely those that take it quite seriously, whenever I mention the likes of iRacing and ACC I'm referring to having fun. Hone a skill, and get rewarded with better lap times and better racing.

I'll gladly give a wide berth to those simracing elitists. Fortunately they're a minority, and the community around those titles is veritable wholesome.