Assists are there to help newer players, but they should have a lower ceiling.Why is it that with ABS on you are faster? I enjoy driving without assists and having the real feel of total control and driving the car.But there is no reason for having abs off when racing people or friends because you are at a disadvantage and that just sucks.Even Marcel kiefer when doing a test was faster with ABS on and he is a freaking eSports driver who gets like almost the max out of no abs, 99.9% of us are way worse and lose alot more with ABS off than that.I just feel it's ridiculous that you are not faster with an assist turned off or have a higher ceiling..

@ScarDuck14I don't know what your talking about but 99% of players are significantly faster with ABS turned on, pretty much everyone I know is faster with ABS on, maybe some have a slight tiny bit of an advantage with it being off,but those are esports drivers probably.

Interesting conversation. I haven't anything really to add on the debate regarding assists being faster or slower and whether they should be needed. I understand @TigerAlen410 when you say you're finding it difficult that leagues aren't being filled due not being able to have a ban on ABS. Anybody would find it frustrating when you want to play with similar skilled players where you feel your competitors are on a level playing field.After watching your video I will say this though, you may have to give up on the dynamic racing line assist. If I'm honest, I've been using the racing line as a crutch on games as I'm useless at finding braking points and I don't have the time to learn all the tracks. Recently I decided to stop using it and I've found that when I have figured out my points, I've been gaining time. As helpful as the dynamic line is, it can change your braking points and make your trailbraking less efficient. I've had to relearn how to trail brake as I was relying too much on the the dynamic line turning yellow to indicate I should begin easing off the brake. I doubt that this is the fastest way to drive. Give it a try, you never know

Hey @TigerAlen410 Screenshots from the frame the brake input pops up. Emoji hands always pointing to the white line for reference.T10, opening up the flying lap:T1:T3 (or T2, depending on your faith):T4:@ScarDuck14 and @TotosHeadphones right on the money. By the way, a few paragraphs I wrote sometime ago in a different forum regarding the racing line assist: The racing line can help you learn your way around a new track, as long as you apply a proper learning methodology to it. Actively look for braking markers, turn in points, and actively training yourself to look ahead in the distance. The usual good stuff you'd be doing if you were to learn a track without the RL assist.Once you learn a track though, keeping the race line on sort of inevitably and involuntarily make you slower.When you have it on, even though you're putting the effort to drive despite it, you instinctively register the cues to brake (red line) and to get on the throttle again (green line). And that will mess you up when you're racing.As in, even if you know how to control the car and even if you've developed a feel for the FFB, once you're on the outside lane to, say, defend a position and are totally on top of the proper inputs to do so cleanly, just subconsciously registering that red/green line can make you instantly override your good judgement and respond to those cues again.And that's assuming the programmed racing line actually uses the full width of the track. As you can see from the screenshots above, it definitely does not. The racing line assist will rarely, if ever, be the fastest way around the track. Its sole purpose is to give you cues for the general track markers, just that.Now back to the general point, there's this unhealthy and misplaced obsession with assists and setups in the general F1 community. It's like fuming over VAR execution in the Premier League when all you do is play on the Sunday league with your buddies. This is not a dig at you @TigerAlen410 mind you, just a general comment on how off the mark these discussions can get. Worrying about the hundreds to a couple tenths, tops, that elite players can get using assists while the average joe could gain two full blown seconds just by working on the fundamentals of good driving.I genuinely feel this franchise is not worth your time if you're looking into simracing or being competitive. This is a simcade title. The game is glaringly exploitable, the general player base largely uneducated. EA F1 should not be taken more seriously than calling up a couple pals and having a FIFA showdown on the weekend.This is a pastime. There are copious amount of joy and satisfaction to get out of this franchise and other proper simracing titles, as long as you know what you're in for. Wasting energy on ABS or TC like these players do all the while not being able to turn in two laps in the same 0.2s to save their lives is thoroughly misguided – and unjust to ourselves. It's like Stephen Hawking once said. Sir, this is a Wendy's.

@TigerAlen410 ABS is better than no ABS in real cars. That’s why all modern cars have it. In game ABS is better in some instances but also worse in others.Then ABS is also essential for majority of player’s who use a pad. Even with adaptive triggers. Feedback is lacking for most people who don’t have the time to put hours in Gitting Gud. So ABS helps those players locking up and wiping out other players into every braking zone.Wait but real F1 doesn’t have ABS. I promise you. Their braking systems being state off the art May as well be. Not to mention if teams were given the chance to develop and add a state off the art ABS system. Every team will have it on their car ASAPLastly a good sim racer is faster on this game is faster than any not as good with ABS.ABS Is an assist to help players better enjoy the game. Not have such features will result in less people playing the game. Which means less sales and less development budgets leading to the game not being financially viable.F1 GAMES are not sims. They are games, Games for everyone willing to buy the game to enjoy and not just the elitist few that get upset their expensive high end rig couldn’t help them beat average joe on a pad and ABS. Assist or no assists. Top end rigs or pads. Doesn’t take into account a player’s ability. Be from hours off gitting Gud sweat or those who are naturals.I watch all the best E-Sports racers and content creators. It’s easy to see why they are real elite. Because you never hear them complain about assists being overpowered.Marcel was doing the comparison video for the benefit of his followers. To help them decide whether to use ABS or not, He never once mentioned it’s a issue

@ScarDuck14 Valid points.But is it like this in other games/genres too? With E-sports level players being able to perform better or would gain an advantage at top level, if they were using any in-game aid or assist? Ex. CoD, Fifa or… any game really.(Honest question. I only play racing games nowadays, so I don’t have a clue what goes on in other game/E-sport genres anymore)It isn’t a big issue for the E-sport drivers because the official series and the top tiers of the biggest leagues DON’T ALLOW any assits.But it’s imo kinda sad that smaller (normal) leagues have such diffculty filling up or don’t even bother trying to run a ’no assist tier’ anymore. Because the Racing Line and especially ABS is incredibly helpful in this game.It’s a good thing they exist, but it doesn’t make sense to me why they need to THIS powerful?And I believe the f1 online/competitive community suffers quite alot as a consequence. (There are a million of other reasons it suffers also).I have a love/hate relationship with f1 league racing. I don’t mind racing and competing against drivers who use assists. But the fact that I know many racers with insane talent and pace (far better than me), who I’ve raced with/against since 2019, and they still use ABS and Racing Line assist, even though they could easily keep their pace without them. Their reasoning: ”Why risk it?”And that kinda makes me think the game could benefit from a tiny tiny (just a little) ABS nerf.I do agree that the game should remain fun, engaging and accessible for every and all level of players.And I don’t believe a slightly less op abs would get in the way of that.

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TigerAlen410
2 years ago
Ok so people saying to use more of the track, ok from the screenshots I can definitely see it, but the difference is not massive.
Also my steering is too twichy, in what way, how should I improve it?

But I kind of doubt those 2 reasons are costing me such a vast amount of time, maybe I could get 2 or 3 tenths in the whole lap with these things?
mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
2 years ago
@TotosHeadphonesHaha what do you mean? I posted it on Reddit a while ago I think, don't remember ever saying it here.

@TigerAlen410put in the time, then turn up with the results. There's 1-2 tenth BY CORNER just from not using the whole track, and the T4 is definitely a "massive" difference when we're dealing with a sport of so fine margins.

That's assuming your braking points, track in and track out points are correct. Once I caught the racing line bit, I didn't bother checking those. You'll have to adjust them to your new line anyway so 🤷‍♂️

And it is not only about the skill ceiling. You absolutely need to elevate the skill floor as well. Get consistent. Worrying about what fine adjustments devs should be making to ABS and TC is nonsensical at this point.

Consider getting into telemetry as well. Throttle, brake and speed traces do not lie. There are a couple of telemetry services for F1 where you can compare your inputs to others', from the top of my head there's Track Titan and... F1 Laps? Heh, it's been a while.

They will literally, literally tell you how much time you're losing on each corner.
Edit: though this could also be attributed to wing settings, even your speed at the braking zones goes from lower to significantly lower relatively to the reference lap in those 4 corners alone. You're severely underestimating the performance impact of your choice of line.
ScarDuck14
Legend
2 years ago
When you turn the wheel the car slows down. The more you turn it the more you slow. Trick to being fast is keeping your wheel straight. Adding the smoothest and Minimum amount of steering angle through the corners and then open the steering asap. You need to make corners as short as possible by taking them as straight as possible. Granted I didn’t watch it all but I’m smoother and more precise and. I use a controller.
TigerAlen410
2 years ago
Well I will definitely try all those things you guys said and hopefully see some improvement.
The only one im afraid of is the racing line since like some user says the color changes were a bit of a reference when to ease the breaks etc... i feel like its going to be extremely hard without this.
mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
2 years ago
For a quick telemetry comparison:
Track Titan
F1 Laps
EA's Racenet - Never used it, but I remember getting excited when the service debuted
There's probably more, I don't know. F1 23 handles nicely, but I've drifted away from this franchise pari passu with their stagnation. As I've said, if you want to be competitive or to at least be rewarded for your time and effort, there are better titles out there.
Rewarded in fun and excitement, mind you. No "woohoo I'm a mean simracer I bet I could take on Latifi in go karting!" foolish attitude.
Simracing is a hobby and though there are definitely those that take it quite seriously, whenever I mention the likes of iRacing and ACC I'm referring to having fun. Hone a skill, and get rewarded with better lap times and better racing.
I'll gladly give a wide berth to those simracing elitists. Fortunately they're a minority, and the community around those titles is veritable wholesome.

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