Hi guys,with F1 23 being at an all-time low regarding F1 games, I dare even say it's worse than F1 2021, this is probably the final chance for EA SPORTS to prove that they can make F1 games just as well as FIFA.The thing is: Just a new engine that gives us hope is not going to suffice. There's a reason why I won't preorder the game this year, and that's because I want to get a disc copy so I can return it if the game is another failure.In order to prevent this from happening, F1 24 absolutely needs the following things:We finally need a new upgrade system. Whether you bring the R&D tree back with new things and improvements or make it in a style of Frontier's F1 Managers, I don't care. It's about high time we need something new, something fresh, a really big thing to hype us up into playing Career Mode.We need to be able to customize the calendar from Season 2 onward. Simply deleting tracks we don't want to play ain't going to cut it. It's a feature that F1 2021 desperately needed to make Melbourne Round 1 again, just as it must be, and now, with the real calendar being so frantically mixed up, this feature is required more than ever. And DON'T say that you can't do it because of licensing reasons, because this is just a lazy excuse. I can say that because other reliable sources that also want a new great F1 game said it.We need to be able to turn Sprints off. I already hated them in real life for obvious reasons, I hated them in F1 22, I hated them in F1 23, and I still hate them until today. Other people also said that they're not interested in doing two Qualifyings just because it's a Sprint weekend, and the old format is just pure garbage, as you might start in dead last through no fault of your own because your engine blew up or another driver ruined your Sprint.DON'T change the driver roster in the middle of the game's life. Keep the roster to what it was at Round 1, and if you absolutely need to add a driver because a driver transfer happened mid-season, don't delete the driver out of existence like you did with Nyck de Vries, just add them to the free agents so other teams can hire them if need be.I guess this one is a perspective thing, but with Max Verstappen saying he won't be in F1 for that much longer and Lewis Hamilton saying he won't stop until he gets another championship, I think it's smarter to give Lewis Hamilton a retirement immunity in Career Mode and have Verstappen retire after one or two seasons. Just because a driver like Max is still young doesn't mean they can't call it quits because they don't want to race in F1 anymore.Most importantly, don't just put your focus into F1 World regarding content for the Podium Pass. This made F1 23 not worth playing unless you just want to screw around offline or play online with a friend, but the player never had the need to purchase the VIP Pass or just grind out races to max their Podium Pass out.Could be another perspective thing, but as new My Team Icons, if you'll add new ones, I want Kimi Raikkonen and Sebastian Vettel, two drivers that I really liked in real life, especially Kimi with his ice cold personality.Rework mechanical failures. Over the course of my playtime in F1 games since F1 2021, Mercedes engines, and especially Mercedes cars themselves failed more often than any other engine available. This is completely unrealistic, as Mercedes engines rarely failed over the past decade in real life, and in the game, they apparently have a failure chance of 30% in every single race. And with my terrible luck, you know how easy it is to hit the failure chance. Compared to the other engines, they failed way more than Mercedes. I can only emphasize 2022, where in the first three races, four Honda engines failed, and don't get me started on Spain and Baku in the same year, where five or six Ferrari engines failed. I like the player faults, but they need a massive rework to make them worth using throughout the entire Career Mode.And finally, I hope that off-track interviews after a session make a comeback. We've seen this in Braking Point 2 with Natalie Pinkham, and I don't see this being impossible to bring back. Again, it's another perspective thing, but that's what made the Codemasters games so immersive.If anyone at EA reads this, please take these suggestions to heart, because me and the entire community are longing for a worthy successor to F1 2020, and for three straight years, we've been disappointed. So let's hope that F1 24 will be just as we expected.Good day,Nico

One very important thing they MUST IMPLEMENT that I have not heard here yet is, the ability for MORE PEOPLE to play CO-OP career mode, how is this not a thing? Its literally the easiest thing to implement and I fail to see any logic why this is not in game, what if you have a group of 3 friends or 4 u want to play career with? they should at the VERY MINIMUM make it an up to 4 player co-op career mode.

@LuckyNico92 if you consider these to be important things, practically everything is offline? Do you know why you get bored at a certain point? because then the game is repetitive and if they want to make a change in their career for me they have to make an online game of 20 drivers not a preset.... remember that the current game said in the interview is all dynamic presets there is nothing

@Nellix82 I prefer playing Career Mode to online.Do you want to know why F1 23 is boring? Because this is the third game in a row that is an exact copy-paste of the last game with changes to handling, AI and so on. Unfortunately, this also means that the Career Mode has been the exact same for four years, and it gets old REALLY fast.I know that some people say, never change a winning system, but in this particular case, EA SPORTS has only been copying Codemasters and did nothing on their own for three years straight.

@LuckyNico92 the game itself is not who knows what you can invent.... especially when the decision is to be arcade, run and go

@LuckyNico92 1. The base of the upgrade system is fine, although I would prefer the old tech tree visual better, they just need to work on the balancing. The issues are three-fold, teams can generally max out their cars in 2-3 seasons of a mode that supposed to last 10. The resets don't "hit hard enough which really I guess feeds back into the first issue. Then there's the hole driver performance boost thing (I forget what it's called in game) that basically gives everyone a +10 across the board so 2/3 of the grid ends up being like 95+ in all stats. If they re-balance the first two and get rid of the third it will be fine.2. I don't know if licensing has anything to do with it or not but that's not the real reason either way... weather is. The game is pre-programmed with an expected rain ratio based on the track's location for the time of year the race is run. Also, there's the heat issue. You can't just drop one of the Middle Eastern races down into the calendar in July, Engines and tires would be exploding left and right.3. I'm going to agree with this one. I've never liked Sprints in real life, and I dislike them in game even more.4. We've been through this before, this is a licensing issue and they do have to change it whether you like it or not. As to why they deleted him entirely instead of just putting him in the driver pool I can't explain, but in this specific case I think it's fairly safe to say he's not getting a second shot.5. People say a lot of things, doesn't mean any of them will come true. Personally, I would bet on Verstappen staying F1 longer than Hamilton, and Hamilton not getting another championship. Also, they've never shown any interest hard coding things into the game before, like we already know Hamilton is going to Ferrari next year, doubt that will be hard coded to happen in career mode. so why would they do this when it's pure speculation.6. Personally, I would advise them just to get rid of F1 world, but base on the pre-order "poster" we got they seem to be doubling down on it so 😞\7. Fine by me, but I don't know if they've been gone long enough to be considered "Icons".8. I know I'm probably in the minority on this, but I'd rather they just get rid of mechanical failures entirely for both player and AI. The cars are reliable now, this isn't the 70's - 90's anymore where 1/3 of the field was lost to mechanical failure. Most DNF's now adays come from the driver error putting into the wall, and to your point, I don't have enough confidence in CM/ EA's coding the have a fair and balanced system regarding failures, so I'd rather just be able to disable it.9. Interviews are novel at first, but there's only so many lines you can have recorded, and once you start seeing repeats you start figuring out the "correct" response and the whole thing just becomes a waste of time, there are better things to put resources into IMO.

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LuckyNico92

Seasoned Ace

1 year ago

These things must be in F1 24!

Hi guys,

with F1 23 being at an all-time low regarding F1 games, I dare even say it's worse than F1 2021, this is probably the final chance for EA SPORTS to prove that they can make F1 games just as well as FIFA.

The thing is: Just a new engine that gives us hope is not going to suffice. There's a reason why I won't preorder the game this year, and that's because I want to get a disc copy so I can return it if the game is another failure.

In order to prevent this from happening, F1 24 absolutely needs the following things:

We finally need a new upgrade system. Whether you bring the R&D tree back with new things and improvements or make it in a style of Frontier's F1 Managers, I don't care. It's about high time we need something new, something fresh, a really big thing to hype us up into playing Career Mode.
We need to be able to customize the calendar from Season 2 onward. Simply deleting tracks we don't want to play ain't going to cut it. It's a feature that F1 2021 desperately needed to make Melbourne Round 1 again, just as it must be, and now, with the real calendar being so frantically mixed up, this feature is required more than ever. And DON'T say that you can't do it because of licensing reasons, because this is just a lazy excuse. I can say that because other reliable sources that also want a new great F1 game said it.
We need to be able to turn Sprints off. I already hated them in real life for obvious reasons, I hated them in F1 22, I hated them in F1 23, and I still hate them until today. Other people also said that they're not interested in doing two Qualifyings just because it's a Sprint weekend, and the old format is just pure garbage, as you might start in dead last through no fault of your own because your engine blew up or another driver ruined your Sprint.
DON'T change the driver roster in the middle of the game's life. Keep the roster to what it was at Round 1, and if you absolutely need to add a driver because a driver transfer happened mid-season, don't delete the driver out of existence like you did with Nyck de Vries, just add them to the free agents so other teams can hire them if need be.
I guess this one is a perspective thing, but with Max Verstappen saying he won't be in F1 for that much longer and Lewis Hamilton saying he won't stop until he gets another championship, I think it's smarter to give Lewis Hamilton a retirement immunity in Career Mode and have Verstappen retire after one or two seasons. Just because a driver like Max is still young doesn't mean they can't call it quits because they don't want to race in F1 anymore.
Most importantly, don't just put your focus into F1 World regarding content for the Podium Pass. This made F1 23 not worth playing unless you just want to screw around offline or play online with a friend, but the player never had the need to purchase the VIP Pass or just grind out races to max their Podium Pass out.
Could be another perspective thing, but as new My Team Icons, if you'll add new ones, I want Kimi Raikkonen and Sebastian Vettel, two drivers that I really liked in real life, especially Kimi with his ice cold personality.
Rework mechanical failures. Over the course of my playtime in F1 games since F1 2021, Mercedes engines, and especially Mercedes cars themselves failed more often than any other engine available. This is completely unrealistic, as Mercedes engines rarely failed over the past decade in real life, and in the game, they apparently have a failure chance of 30% in every single race. And with my terrible luck, you know how easy it is to hit the failure chance. Compared to the other engines, they failed way more than Mercedes. I can only emphasize 2022, where in the first three races, four Honda engines failed, and don't get me started on Spain and Baku in the same year, where five or six Ferrari engines failed. I like the player faults, but they need a massive rework to make them worth using throughout the entire Career Mode.
And finally, I hope that off-track interviews after a session make a comeback. We've seen this in Braking Point 2 with Natalie Pinkham, and I don't see this being impossible to bring back. Again, it's another perspective thing, but that's what made the Codemasters games so immersive.

If anyone at EA reads this, please take these suggestions to heart, because me and the entire community are longing for a worthy successor to F1 2020, and for three straight years, we've been disappointed. So let's hope that F1 24 will be just as we expected.

Good day,

Nico

discussion

11 Replies

Nellix82
Rising Ace
1 year ago
@LuckyNico92 if you consider these to be important things, practically everything is offline? Do you know why you get bored at a certain point? because then the game is repetitive and if they want to make a change in their career for me they have to make an online game of 20 drivers not a preset.... remember that the current game said in the interview is all dynamic presets there is nothing
LuckyNico92
Seasoned Ace
1 year ago
@Nellix82 I prefer playing Career Mode to online.

Do you want to know why F1 23 is boring? Because this is the third game in a row that is an exact copy-paste of the last game with changes to handling, AI and so on. Unfortunately, this also means that the Career Mode has been the exact same for four years, and it gets old REALLY fast.

I know that some people say, never change a winning system, but in this particular case, EA SPORTS has only been copying Codemasters and did nothing on their own for three years straight.
Nellix82
Rising Ace
1 year ago
@LuckyNico92 the game itself is not who knows what you can invent.... especially when the decision is to be arcade, run and go
TheRagebeard
Hero+
1 year ago
@LuckyNico92
1. The base of the upgrade system is fine, although I would prefer the old tech tree visual better, they just need to work on the balancing. The issues are three-fold, teams can generally max out their cars in 2-3 seasons of a mode that supposed to last 10. The resets don't "hit hard enough which really I guess feeds back into the first issue. Then there's the hole driver performance boost thing (I forget what it's called in game) that basically gives everyone a +10 across the board so 2/3 of the grid ends up being like 95+ in all stats. If they re-balance the first two and get rid of the third it will be fine.
2. I don't know if licensing has anything to do with it or not but that's not the real reason either way... weather is. The game is pre-programmed with an expected rain ratio based on the track's location for the time of year the race is run. Also, there's the heat issue. You can't just drop one of the Middle Eastern races down into the calendar in July, Engines and tires would be exploding left and right.
3. I'm going to agree with this one. I've never liked Sprints in real life, and I dislike them in game even more.
4. We've been through this before, this is a licensing issue and they do have to change it whether you like it or not. As to why they deleted him entirely instead of just putting him in the driver pool I can't explain, but in this specific case I think it's fairly safe to say he's not getting a second shot.
5. People say a lot of things, doesn't mean any of them will come true. Personally, I would bet on Verstappen staying F1 longer than Hamilton, and Hamilton not getting another championship. Also, they've never shown any interest hard coding things into the game before, like we already know Hamilton is going to Ferrari next year, doubt that will be hard coded to happen in career mode. so why would they do this when it's pure speculation.
6. Personally, I would advise them just to get rid of F1 world, but base on the pre-order "poster" we got they seem to be doubling down on it so 😞\
7. Fine by me, but I don't know if they've been gone long enough to be considered "Icons".
8. I know I'm probably in the minority on this, but I'd rather they just get rid of mechanical failures entirely for both player and AI. The cars are reliable now, this isn't the 70's - 90's anymore where 1/3 of the field was lost to mechanical failure. Most DNF's now adays come from the driver error putting into the wall, and to your point, I don't have enough confidence in CM/ EA's coding the have a fair and balanced system regarding failures, so I'd rather just be able to disable it.
9. Interviews are novel at first, but there's only so many lines you can have recorded, and once you start seeing repeats you start figuring out the "correct" response and the whole thing just becomes a waste of time, there are better things to put resources into IMO.
TheRagebeard
Hero+
1 year ago
@Nellix82 The thing is most people don't have 19 other people to go racing online against and obviously just joining a random lobby will result in a bunch of trolls crashing and driving recklessly. The casual player doesn't want to have to commit to joining an online league just to enjoy the game they just bought, hence career mode... or even more sadly F1 World will always be the primary focus.
Nellix82
Rising Ace
1 year ago
@Barbarabbia I don't play career because from the videos of other players I see a repetition of the same things... it's normal then from my point of view that it gets boring. Just as you're right that I can like the occasional player who plays every now and then. I'm critical. because I always hope after 21 22 and 23 the first time I don't know if I buy this 24 I see everything flat in their ideas
LuckyNico92
Seasoned Ace
1 year ago
@TheRagebeard There's a viable reason why races like say Qatar and Abu Dhabi are night races. Temperature.

If those races were day races - and they used to be until 2013, where regulations were highly different - then the tires would last seven laps, just like F2 because the track is so hot that the tires will basically melt.

That's why I understand your argument with the weather regarding the calendar order, but it's a feature that especially I would adore, because I want to have a full season with Melbourne as Round 1 and Las Vegas as the season finale, anything in-between is just personal preference, but I would scrap Bahrain and put Qatar into Round 2, since I prefer it over Bahrain.
TheRagebeard
Hero+
1 year ago
@LuckyNico92 Qatar was never a day race and only joined the calendar in 2021 and 2023, not sure what you intended to say there but I think you've gotten Bahrain, Saudi, Qatar, and Abu all squirreled up.
Also, and I have no idea if the AI is actually this intelligent or not, but mixing up the races could mess with the AI upgrade philosophy. Ex. if the AI is expecting Monaco to be round 8 it may attempt to have most of its downforce upgrades come through around round 7-8. If you then deicide to slot Monza in at round 8, the AI may not compensate and go for engine upgrades instead, and end up with a downforce heavy car at the least downforce needy track.
That said, I myself would not give a lot of credibility to my previous train of thought because I haven't seen enough from the game over the years to show me that it thinks things through that deeply, more than likely upgrades get decided by RNG so...
Cheers lol
LuckyNico92
Seasoned Ace
1 year ago
@TheRagebeard I don't think so. The AI upgrades at complete random. One day they upgrade chassis, then aero, then powertrain, then maybe another aero upgrade before going for a durability upgrade...

I don't think it matters what AI upgrade comes when.
TigerAlen410
1 year ago
One very important thing they MUST IMPLEMENT that I have not heard here yet is, the ability for MORE PEOPLE to play CO-OP career mode, how is this not a thing? Its literally the easiest thing to implement and I fail to see any logic why this is not in game, what if you have a group of 3 friends or 4 u want to play career with? they should at the VERY MINIMUM make it an up to 4 player co-op career mode.