F1® 24 Official Gameplay Deep Dive

@TheRagebeard by "broken car" we mean a car that has a worse handling than before. After a certain point, the car becomes a pain to drive. That's been one of the staples of both single player modes, as our resident single player expert @ScarDuck14 can attest to.

That's a fundamental design flaw.

Those features you mention would address the issue of not having a level playing field after a few seasons, or the AI being unable to keep pace with your R&D output. They just indirectly address that flaw - and would do so just by postponing it. Unless the game constantly resets you back to an unbroken state, but then we'd be bordering on FIFA "now your De Bruyne crosses like nanny" levels of scripting.

The R&D tree is unbalanced at its core, and the Deep Dive did not instill any confidence in me that the issue has been finally taken care of.

@Cpayne32 Grats on Champion, welcome to the club

@mariohomoh Yes, although I probably don't play as much as duck, I primarily play career mode so I'm aware of the "season 3" issue if you will. And while I would agree it is a fundamental design flaw I think your being a bit negative and looking at this glass half empty style. Maybe the issue remains unfixed but surely postponing it to season 5 ,6, or 7 is preferable to season 3?

@TheRagebeardWell, we are both discussing it over a 5min clip on Youtube, aren't we? You say I'm being negative, then I'll call you on your offer and indeed say you're being naive that after 4 years or so of full priced $60-70 titles their featured "chip shortage" and "high inflation" is going to do enough to redress their fundamentally broken R&D system 😉

And as I've said, postponing is indirectly addressing it so obviously it is better than doing nothing at all. But, stone me for daring to say it if you will, after so many years I'm expecting more from a "all new career mode"?

Sorry for being a downer. We're both extrapolating on a 5min clip and I am doing so on the negative pole of the spectrum. But those are my reasons for not getting excited, and I believe them to be reasonable 🫶

@TheRagebeardit’s not just a season 3 thing. As Career still is fundamentally the same with new bits added to it. This I’m sorry to say has potential to cause issues on issues.

I like my glass half full. But if nothing has been done to reworking and fully testing to upgrades. Added with more changes to handling physics. There will be a point where a upgrade with turn the car into 💩

To many times I’ve said “Nah it’ll be fine”

@Cpayne32   Champion 💪

@mariohomoh You don't have to apologize for being a downer, your certainly entitled to hold whatever beliefs you choose. Me I choose the path of the optimist and maybe that makes me naive, but that also gives me something to look forward to and be excited about for the next month.

I believe stoning was outlawed a long time ago so I'm not going to do that, but I am going to and ask your to explain in detail what you were expecting from an "All New Career Mode"?

@ScarDuck14 *sigh* I know it's has to do with the upgrades, I just said season 3 because that's when it tends to hit for the average player.

Your second paragraph could go either way, because we don't know how the upgrades will interact with the new handling physics. They could cause the car to "break" sooner or they could cause it to "break" later, we won't know until we give it a go.

Why do all you old retired champions have to be negative 24/7 lol

I want to kudo your post for congratulating Cpayne but I can't because the rest of it is meh

@TheRagebeardExperience of playing Codemasters games for over 30 yearrs. Know they can drop a banger but these days it’s mostly clangers

I think I can survive missing out on a XP. Plus if I posted what I was going to you have been raging

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@TheRagebeard wrote:

Why do all you old retired champions have to be negative 24/7 lol

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Retired champions? Completely irrelevant descriptor.

As for a more fitting one, one that also includes @Meza994 who pointed out the same potential failings of the "all new" career mode, I'll be roundabouty and cryptic leaving you with just a hint: ask @ScarDuck14 the number of hours he logged in his least played F1 game.

@ScarDuck14 Nah, you'll always look back on this day and longingly think of that XP you missed. 

@mariohomoh I know his least played game was F1 23 and he only put roughly 300 hours into it.

Also, perhaps you overlooked it, but I asked you to explain in detail what you were expecting from an all-new career mode. Since this one obviously doesn't meet your expectations, I'd like to know what you would consider acceptable.

Do you think all these changes are also available for coop mode? I mean they mentioned at in the end but for me it was not clear, if all these features are also available for coop. 

And are the things implemented in My team mode? I guess yes. And my team coop? 

You notice, Coop mode is MY mode :D 

@TheRagebeard I didn't overlook it. Just couldn't shake the impression that it is disappointingly disingenuous? Asking what one expects from a "all-new..." marketing bullet point just after we've all been presented with what seems to be the very same fundamentally flawed experience but with a fresh coat of paint?

Even more so when there's a second plain answer to that, given the direction the discussion has taken. I expect an experience that does not orbit around a broken perk system when I'm told there's an "all new" career mode coming.

A few more low hanging fruits. Consistent AI throughout the weekend. Proper customization tooling. A career progression that isn't a directionless sandbox. Functional driver academies. Regulation changes beyond a silly reset of perks, with a fitting long term R&D to account for new chassis. Meaningful FP programmes impacting performance - a "quali pace" program that isn't broken for once would be nice. Race strategy beyond the selection of tyres. A functional race engineer. I want to build my way up to understanding the car operational window for the weekend.

The secret meetings and contracts look like a fine little addition, but it's hard to look forward to it and not expect it to be unbalanced just like facility bonuses have been.

See this foolishness here?

These are mine. Because I care. Specially when I felt that my money, time and effort were getting their worth in return.

I stepped over your question for the reasons above. Sounded a tad too disingenuous. If that wasn't your intention, I apologize.

But then you drop things like "why do all you old retired champions have to be negative 24/7 lol" and "I want to kudo your post for congratulating Cpayne but I can't because the rest of it is meh"?

Don't take it as I being flippant or goading. I'm saying this as I see it and I mean no quarrel , honestly: people like me, these "old retired champions", and other long time members of Codies' community are not here for likes, "XP" or to rain on anyone's parade. Heh, we're most definitely not here to antagonize you. We're here because we care for F1 and for these games 🫶

@TheRagebeardFrom 2019. Average is north of 600 hours per game.F1 23 drags that down because it’s bad.  

Since 2020 every game as got worse.  So likely 24 will follow that trend 

@mariohomoh I’ve never doubted your love for F1 or these games. What annoys me is your constant negativity and cynicism.

The reason I asked my question was because you’re not the one programming the game. It’s easy to sit back and say they should add this or that or make it like this, but you don’t know what type of time or budget constraints the devs were under, maybe this was the best they could do? If you think you can do better feel free to apply for a job. I’m sure they would love to have someone with your analytical skills and attention to detail on the team.

To be clear, I’m not trying to defend EA, I’m defending the Dev’s who get put in a crappy situation of having to put out annual games without receiving proper support or funding.

I get why [Edit - EA_Barry], I just don’t feel like being dragged down with you.

let’s calm down please. While you both have valid points with regards to the game there is no need for the bickering

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@mariohomoh wrote:

@TheRagebeard I didn't overlook it. Just couldn't shake the impression that it is disappointingly disingenuous? Asking what one expects from a "all-new..." marketing bullet point just after we've all been presented with what seems to be the very same fundamentally flawed experience but with a fresh coat of paint?

Even more so when there's a second plain answer to that, given the direction the discussion has taken. I expect an experience that does not orbit around a broken perk system when I'm told there's an "all new" career mode coming.

A few more low hanging fruits. Consistent AI throughout the weekend. Proper customization tooling. A career progression that isn't a directionless sandbox. Functional driver academies. Regulation changes beyond a silly reset of perks, with a fitting long term R&D to account for new chassis. Meaningful FP programmes impacting performance - a "quali pace" program that isn't broken for once would be nice. Race strategy beyond the selection of tyres. A functional race engineer. I want to build my way up to understanding the car operational window for the weekend.

The secret meetings and contracts look like a fine little addition, but it's hard to look forward to it and not expect it to be unbalanced just like facility bonuses have been.

See this foolishness here?

These are mine. Because I care. Specially when I felt that my money, time and effort were getting their worth in return.

I stepped over your question for the reasons above. Sounded a tad too disingenuous. If that wasn't your intention, I apologize.

But then you drop things like "why do all you old retired champions have to be negative 24/7 lol" and "I want to kudo your post for congratulating Cpayne but I can't because the rest of it is meh"?

Don't take it as I being flippant or goading. I'm saying this as I see it and I mean no quarrel , honestly: people like me, these "old retired champions", and other long time members of Codies' community are not here for likes, "XP" or to rain on anyone's parade. Heh, we're most definitely not here to antagonize you. We're here because we care for F1 and for these games 🫶

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@mariohomoh luckily I'm not the only crazy one around 🥳

❤️❤️❤️

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@TheRagebeard wrote:

I get why your a broken cynical man, I just don’t feel like being dragged down with you.

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The old "get a job and do better" platitude? I should have gone with my instinct then and ignored the question, but even now I'm surprised this is the level of the response you had been cooking.

We've explained why the "all new career mode" marketing doesn't fly. I don't see you delving into the subject with a comparable level of competence.

You even alluded elsewhere that the 3rd season is where the "average player" gets a broken car from R&D? When I originally threw the "3rd season" number around I was being hyperbolic, and the average player doesn't get the issue of a maxed out car by then.

Regarding the quoted part specifically, your stay here would be more productive and healthy if you were to drop this notion that other users are here to entertain or to drag you down.

If you don't think the criticism is fair, the forums have channels to escalate the matter - as you should be acquainted with by now. Trying to smother forum activity down because they're dragging you down is unreasonable and unfitting.

And no need to white knight devs here, or evoke the challenges of videogame development under EA. We've been doing that since before the acquisition when the community would heat up with unreasonable frustration. Keyword here being "unreasonable", which hasn't been the case on this thread.

Edit: @Nuvolarix you even got the icons for the tyre compounds! Haha neat 💚🤍♥️

My spreadsheets always border on the untastefully colorful side of the spectrum. Yours are beautiful 🫶

@mariohomoh 🤷‍♂️😬😂😂😂

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@Nuvolarix wrote:

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@mariohomoh wrote:

@TheRagebeard I didn't overlook it. Just couldn't shake the impression that it is disappointingly disingenuous? Asking what one expects from a "all-new..." marketing bullet point just after we've all been presented with what seems to be the very same fundamentally flawed experience but with a fresh coat of paint?

Even more so when there's a second plain answer to that, given the direction the discussion has taken. I expect an experience that does not orbit around a broken perk system when I'm told there's an "all new" career mode coming.

A few more low hanging fruits. Consistent AI throughout the weekend. Proper customization tooling. A career progression that isn't a directionless sandbox. Functional driver academies. Regulation changes beyond a silly reset of perks, with a fitting long term R&D to account for new chassis. Meaningful FP programmes impacting performance - a "quali pace" program that isn't broken for once would be nice. Race strategy beyond the selection of tyres. A functional race engineer. I want to build my way up to understanding the car operational window for the weekend.

The secret meetings and contracts look like a fine little addition, but it's hard to look forward to it and not expect it to be unbalanced just like facility bonuses have been.

See this foolishness here?

These are mine. Because I care. Specially when I felt that my money, time and effort were getting their worth in return.

I stepped over your question for the reasons above. Sounded a tad too disingenuous. If that wasn't your intention, I apologize.

But then you drop things like "why do all you old retired champions have to be negative 24/7 lol" and "I want to kudo your post for congratulating Cpayne but I can't because the rest of it is meh"?

Don't take it as I being flippant or goading. I'm saying this as I see it and I mean no quarrel , honestly: people like me, these "old retired champions", and other long time members of Codies' community are not here for likes, "XP" or to rain on anyone's parade. Heh, we're most definitely not here to antagonize you. We're here because we care for F1 and for these games 🫶

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@mariohomoh luckily I'm not the only crazy one around 🥳

❤️❤️❤️

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You guys are awesome crazy… 

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@TheRagebeard wrote:

To be clear, I’m not trying to defend EA, I’m defending the Dev’s who get put in a crappy situation of having to put out annual games without receiving proper support or funding.

I get why your a broken cynical man, I just don’t feel like being dragged down with you.

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Wow! Who is this guy? If you were around in the codies forum days you would know we have been feeling the pain for years. With it going downhill year after year, just trying to paint over the cracks.

EA taking over has made it worse unfortunately.

us old timers know better than to buy into their marketing gimmick and youtube fanboys promoting the next copy and paste.

i honestly dont see any reason to buy this installation over something like F1 2020. Especially if the rumors about no modding on PC are to be true.

@ajobling1983  I may not have been on the forums, but I've been playing CodeMaster's F1 games since 2010, so I'm well acquainted with the ups and downs of the franchise. Apparently, my optimism seems to get under a lot of people's skin, but I just don't see the point of giving up on a game a month before it even releases.

Will F1 24 be everything we ever wanted? Probably not, but I do believe it will be better than F1 23. If you want to take a pass and stick to F1 2020, that's your choice and your more than welcome to do so. It also sounds like you'll have plenty of company from other people doing the same.