Re: Hotlap and overtake
@TomasSlb24 The problem with why you can run hotlap during the race so much is BECAUSE ERS harvests too much, if the energy recovery would be lower then youd struggle to run hotlap for 2-3 laps
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- @Meza994 Yes I agree, the energy recovery is too high. Just by comparing to past games the first season were always a lot more hard to recover the energy.
It's weird that we now get the None ERS deployment mode, but we never need to use it because we easily recover it. That's why I ask if Hotlap should just be removed, and we get only None, Medium and Overtake, but with less recovery so you get penalized for using too much Overtake. - @TomasSlb24 Afaik its forbidden to use none in the races - might be false info though. So that mode can be scrapped. Personally i like to have the option to just chuck it into Hotlap mode - when its not letting you do it every lap - like when you are doing an inlap for an overcut or such, concentrating on the driving not having to think about overtake and such situations
I cant use hotlap every lap if I want to use overtake as well otherwise battery is empty. I tend to run medium in the race with good amount of overtake. Medium is tuned for better traction as well. Hotlap i mainly use in qualy sometimes on longer straights in the race to avoid the clipping that medium does at high speed
I want to use medium during the race too, but the only way I can hold to the AI in the straights seems to be by only using hotlap. Like @Meza994 said, hotlap is indeed a good use for inlaps or outlaps for undercut or overcut, but than it's impossible to keep up with the AI. The recovery is broken and need's to be looked into. The way ERS worked before was way more balanced.
The ers behavior has been made to more closely match real world so to day its broken isnt really true. It just takes more understanding and practice of where and when to deploy and regen. Use overtake to defend but regen in twisty sections by using medium or none - sector 2 in Bahrain for example, sector 3 in melbourne
- @Darthsausage44 Agreed, the way ERS is supposed to work is not broken. What's broken is how it is easily recovered.
You should not recover like 50% of the battery in one sector of the race. In a matter of fact that is a limit to the amount of battery you recover during a lap, being 2 MJ per lap, and I think that recover is not being capped, making the AI use overtake all the time, without the problem of running out of it. The 2MJ per lap recovery is the ers-k the turbo recovery is unlimited recovery per lap, although what the capability of that is i dont know - by now i suspect its a lot
however i agree the ai seems to have a lot of overtake available
- @Darthsausage44 Not just the AI, the player has it every lap for quite a lot of seconds, however IRL they are saving the battery and explicitly give the drivers advice when the battery is full enough to use overtake
Plus the engine braking makes this way to easy to recover. I run 100% at every track and can routinely run overtake mode for a fair portion of a lap while recovering it all in the corners
Yeah, it feels kinda weird to be able to comfortably run in Hotlap mode with no engine brake for an entire race at Jeddah and hardly get close to draining the battery.
@Meza994 wrote:
@TomasSlb24Afaik its forbidden to use none in the races - might be false info though. So that mode can be scrapped. Personally i like to have the option to just chuck it into Hotlap mode - when its not letting you do it every lap - like when you are doing an inlap for an overcut or such, concentrating on the driving not having to think about overtake and such situationsUnfortunately I don't remember the exact race, but in one race Hamilton was about to set the fastest lap, while Alonso was the car behind, who in turn told his race engineer that Hamilton was using mode charge or strat 1, which is indicated by a certain pattern of flashing signals on the rear of the car. Either Alonso misunderstood those signals, or there's something else going on, like Hamilton's gap to the other car,allowed to use NO ERS in such a rare scenario.
- @Blackbird90 Id think it was just a mode that was cutting off deployment earlier thus the flashing lights, but completely no deployment for the whole lap shouldnt be allowed? I could be 100% wrong on this, have to dig up the regulations tomorrow!
The flashing lights do mean that the car is in an harvest energy mode, but like @Meza994 said, I think completely cutting the energy is not possible. They just get an higher harvest mode compared to the deployment mode. I tried to search it up, but did not get the confirmation if it's possible to deploy no energy during the race.
Must be they cant be deploying under safety car ,vsc or pit lane
- @Cpayne32 without abs - I struggle to run more than 70-80% as if i lock up the back will snap under braking. What brake force and bias do run? Or do you use abs
- @Darthsausage44 I use between 95-97% pressure and bias i use around 54/55
@Meza994 wrote:
@Blackbird90Id think it was just a mode that was cutting off deployment earlier thus the flashing lights, but completely no deployment for the whole lap shouldnt be allowed? I could be 100% wrong on this, have to dig up the regulations tomorrow!It was at Spa 2023. So indeed Lewis was told to go to strat 1. Just checked the radio.
