It is pretty clear the AI is not suffering from tire degradation. Their race strategy seems to follow a predetermined script. They also do not seem to lose time at the end of stints or where tire wear should be high.Also, the AI is not suffering from high or low tire temperatures. This is obvious on race starts and out laps during the race.My questions are:1) Should these be reported as bugs? I can’t imagine that this was per design2) Does F1 2021 behave the same way? I played that game a lot and don’t remember feeling like the AI is racing in a different t category with different performance characteristics.

@TomasSlb24 yep, it's definitely not perfect and won't be probably in few years.. I wish there were more depth there and strategy choices, but it's what it is now. Like I wrote, I have feeling temps are simplified for AI in the code, hardcoded to increase in certain amount of time to the optimal and then kept there artifically. I could be wrong, but it definitely seems like it now (I really doubt it's a bug)I'm pretty sure they were aware of the second set of hards/mediums issue before release, but didn't have time to implement it correctly and are now trying to get away with that for F1 22. It wouldn't help much with 50% or less races, because not that often that you can make 2 stops work in any case (if they would give option to increase the speed limit of pit lane in 50% races, then maybe... in addition to be able use second set of mediums/hards of course)

@TomasSlb24 wrote:@IleleeeEven though the AI get the tire temps faster we do to. Hard tires normally don't get in the right window till about 2-3 laps, depending on other factors like track temps.Things like Hungary would never happen in the game. Not only the surface temps does little do no effect and so the Hards would still work in the game, a S-M-M strategy would be impossible because there is no other set of mediums.I’m sure AI are just coded to be slightly slower for half a lap, regardless of tyre compound. They are not actually effected by temps the same way the player is.

@gatorlb Ai definitely suffer from tire degradation just like we do, it was just that we often push way too hard on phases of the stints where we're suppose to be managing our tires. I mean, we tend to focusing on catching the car in front at all cost...even if that's clearly a faster car, which is not always the ideal way to do it.Tire temp though, Ai could always keep it at optimal range from what I've observed, this part is probably true, but if you could keep it there then in most cases it's not really an issue.Only outlap after pitstop can be a bit tricky, but I felt the advantage of Ai on this part seems to be now less significant since v1.08, need more testing.

After observing replay for a AI after a pit stop awhile ago, they had those tires cold coming out as it should, then increased quite quickly to that 92 degrees and got fixed to that for the rest of the race. I doubt that is something they can manage by driving in such perfect accurary (for each tire!), but not sure is that some simplification in the AI implementation or a bug. My guess it's simplification, "working as intended", and there is still way to go for them to play with same rules as we players... No idea about the tire deg though, they are fast in the last lap or few, but that is can be explained by them using the rest of the ERS like they do + having lighter car (and especially if they have been able to keep the wear down better than player does).

I'm sorry @Apophis-STR but you can't say, 'Tire temp though, Ai could always keep it at optimal range from what I've observed, this part is probably true, but if you could keep it there then in most cases it's not really an issue'. And 'Ai definitely suffer from tire degradation just like we do', As it just doesn't make sense. It's not the same deg as us if they have perfect temps all the time. It will be minimal wear every lap. So by the end of a stint it's an advantage, I haven't heard of any F1 driver say "oh the tyre temps were so easy to control so deg wasn't a problem" EVER

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Apophis-STR
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@gatorlb Ai definitely suffer from tire degradation just like we do, it was just that we often push way too hard on phases of the stints where we're suppose to be managing our tires. I mean, we tend to focusing on catching the car in front at all cost...even if that's clearly a faster car, which is not always the ideal way to do it.

Tire temp though, Ai could always keep it at optimal range from what I've observed, this part is probably true, but if you could keep it there then in most cases it's not really an issue.

Only outlap after pitstop can be a bit tricky, but I felt the advantage of Ai on this part seems to be now less significant since v1.08, need more testing.
DRudd13
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
I'm sorry @Apophis-STR but you can't say, 'Tire temp though, Ai could always keep it at optimal range from what I've observed, this part is probably true, but if you could keep it there then in most cases it's not really an issue'. And 'Ai definitely suffer from tire degradation just like we do', As it just doesn't make sense. It's not the same deg as us if they have perfect temps all the time. It will be minimal wear every lap. So by the end of a stint it's an advantage, I haven't heard of any F1 driver say "oh the tyre temps were so easy to control so deg wasn't a problem" EVER
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@DRudd13Temperature has literally no impact on tyre wear (in the game)..The game is yet very far from being anywhere near truly simulating true tyre behaviour..
DRudd13
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Meza994I don't mind being corrected. I could have sworn I'd seen someone from EA say that there still needed to be tweaks to tyre temps/wear a few weeks ago, and presumed they were linked. But obviously not. But if I/we go round a corner with fluctuating temps, it will damage the tyre's more than if we had a perfect temp all the way round the corner?
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@DRudd13 Nope.. But indirectly the overheating can cause higher wear but causing understeer which many players often try to counter via higher steering angle which in turn will cause higher wear or could cause higher wear as massive overheating will slow you so much that the scrubbing even at very high turning angle is too little to cause any bad wear..
Apophis-STR
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@DRudd13 The thing is, unless you set the temp overly high or push like hell lap after lap, the temp could stay consistently under or well under 100 degrees.

Then, within that window, the effect of couple of degrees of fluctuation had very little to almost no influence on the wear rate itself. It's all down to the driver's input and the R&D parts related to tire wear at that point.
DRudd13
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Meza994 cheers, inadvertently, I think you've just helped me get the setting I had wrong. Steering angle was set at 280 from what I was using in 21, changed it to 360 and what a difference.
TomasSlb24
Seasoned Hotshot
3 years ago
About tire wear not sure, even though on my career at the end of the stints I seem to gain some time to other cars because I have a lot of tire wear updates on my car.
But tire temps are still weird. They get affected with cold tires after leaving the pits but can get them up to temps way faster than us. The big problem is how easy they maintain tire temps in interchangeable conditions. If it's wet to dry, they sometimes don't even box to dry because their inters don't overheat as our tires. From dry to wet they seem to be more vulnerable but when the rain drops start they are way faster than us because it seems that their temps don't get as low as ours.
Ileleee
3 years ago
After observing replay for a AI after a pit stop awhile ago, they had those tires cold coming out as it should, then increased quite quickly to that 92 degrees and got fixed to that for the rest of the race. I doubt that is something they can manage by driving in such perfect accurary (for each tire!), but not sure is that some simplification in the AI implementation or a bug. My guess it's simplification, "working as intended", and there is still way to go for them to play with same rules as we players...
No idea about the tire deg though, they are fast in the last lap or few, but that is can be explained by them using the rest of the ERS like they do + having lighter car (and especially if they have been able to keep the wear down better than player does).
TomasSlb24
Seasoned Hotshot
3 years ago
@Ileleee Even though the AI get the tire temps faster we do to. Hard tires normally don't get in the right window till about 2-3 laps, depending on other factors like track temps.
Things like Hungary would never happen in the game. Not only the surface temps does little do no effect and so the Hards would still work in the game, a S-M-M strategy would be impossible because there is no other set of mediums.