Hi,I wonder if we may have a topic like this about the new F1 22 game like we had for F1 2020 here, it would be very interesting and appreciated 🙂Ciao,Nuv

I'll ask him and see if we can find a decent time where we are free for some Q&A action. We'll it'll be David, not me. Anyone can drive in the midfield every Friday. I'll look to move a lot of the stuff we are used to seeing into EA Answers as we escalate transition.

David Greco's Handling, Driving and Setup Q&A (?)

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Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@mariohomoh Absolutely but as Pirelli puts minimum pressures i doubt F1 - and therefore the game too would run into underinflation territory

Regarding the tyre temps, its always gonna be lower temps with lower pressure in the game - currently. Higher work doesnt do anything, any heat inducing stuff is lower when the pressure is lower! But your "base heat" stuff adds to something i will hopefully suggest tomorrow, giving low pressures and high pressures their own right in the game.

So just as a correction for you yes the wear is 100% correct with being worse for lower pressure but under no circumstances other than overheating is lower pressure better performance in the game and its ALWAYS lower temperatures, nothing with baseline or anything. But how and what i want changed exactly is gonna come with a suggestion as i mentioned, dont worry its gonna include all the tyre philosophy you mentioned.

Just fyi, its specifically for cases like you brought up that i said "NORMAL circumstances", because i know there are circumstances when high pressure is better for higher temps and low pressure is better for lower temps (even though the latter are very rare and even rarer useful)
DavidG53
EA Staff (Retired)
3 years ago
@sirio42994 really? I do have to just slightly keep them in check with C5s and tracks that hard on tyre temps, but other than that, no real problem. If you want to improve it a bit, just put them at the lowest point.

Another way is to drive smoother if you can of course. But minimum tyre pressure will help a lot.
sirio42994
3 years ago
I'll test it a bit more. I just finished a 100% distance race at Abu Dhabi. I went with default preset 3 and the first stint on mediums was a bit problematic (probably too much) but then it was manageable. It can be a combination of things. It's hard to judge since us full distance user are obviously gonna be more affected by the new handling with full fuel load. I don't see tyre temperatures as a problem for shorter distances. I have to readjust myself to the AI that with default setups is probably gonna be faster on early stints (because they don't suffer from temps as we do) and slower from mid race to the end.
mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
3 years ago
@Meza994 Sorry, but I don't think that's clear?

Under "NORMAL" circumstances, lower pressures will give you lower average temps. Low pressures have the potential to give you a spike in temps, but that is not because of the pressures per se, it's from the higher workload – and anyway that's somewhat moot, we never really care about brief spikes.

Tyres generate grip from the flexing and twisting of the rubber. Grip is basically work. Lower pressures enable more flexing (if you push), thus more work and thus WILL lead to higher wear and CAN lead to high temps during a highly straining section, like a long high speed corner, but the tyres will cool down quickly if there follows a long straight – quicker than they would with higher pressures.

The average temperature can still be lower than if you had high pressures, depending on the car, the track and on how much you're pushing.

The game will give you higher average temps and lower wear if you run with high pressures, and lower average temps and higher wear if you run with low pressures.

It's no "philosophy", it's physics.
mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
3 years ago
@sirio42994 Are you using a telemetry app?

I have yet to see average temperatures (whole lap) being higher with low pressures in the game.
sirio42994
3 years ago
There's no way in game to overheat the tyres lowering the pressures. I was actually wondering if the temps were too high given the conditions (mediums, default preset 3 with pressures that are just 2 clicks) even taking into account the track (Abu Dhabi) and the distance (full fuel load - first stint).
I'll probably test it again without the AI. Cause they can affect the user. I was probably overdriving a bit to keep pace with them in the first stint. Basically F1 2018 offline worked the same way. Survive the first stint and then regain pace against the AI or go for harder compounds straight away.
F1 2018 was the iteration I loved the most online in league racing (because of tyre temps) and hated the most offline (because I couldn't push all the time but the AI could).
I love the handling by the way but it's hard to separate it from the AI offline. Hope to see improvements in that aspect.
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@mariohomoh ...Normal circumstances are race conditions which in turn have a high workload and leads to higher temperatures which all engineers agree on, high workloads like when you go all out in qualifying your tires are completely overheated by sector 3 even with a long straight before that like Sochi had, the cornering speeds and therefore loads the tyres had are not comparable to any other racing series so its a completely different balance for heating due to pressures than compared to cars which have great acceleration but have way lower cornering speeds/loads.

Yes they cool out faster on straights than with high pressures but not like anything you imply. If it were for wet conditions it would be different, those are different conditions as the workload is lower than NORMAL race conditions, more time on the straights and less load in the corners which makes higher pressures give more heat.

The game simply gives you higher temps with higher pressure, not average nothing lol no matter if on straights or in corners the DATA says higher pressure - higher temperatures! This was different though in F1 2021.. in that game straights made lower pressures give you higher temps and corner lower temps and for high pressures the other way around.
Juju_59320
3 years ago
This is very hard for me this year to find the great set up. I can not really feel the differences between standard an personnal set up. Whatever the suspension or anti roll bars are soft or hard whatever I run with more aero on the front or rear, I can not have the car drivebility I need. From my side since years I prefered running with oversteer than understeer... Ai difficulty between 95 and 100 %. THis year with 86 I suffer, more in qualification than in race...
I play with fanatec F1 esport CSL Elite wheel and loadcell brake pedal,
I come here to ask wheel users what kind of car settings you put to have the better mix between high speed and drivability and good corner entry.
Did you changed your driving style, can you enter corners with a bit of brakes or by let running the car without touching pedals???
I know there is a lot of questions in this post, thank you for your answers because I'm completely lost.
mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
3 years ago
@Meza994 wrote:
@mariohomoh...Normal circumstances are race conditions which in turn have a high workload and leads to higher temperatures which all engineers agree on, high workloads like when you go all out in qualifying your tires are completely overheated by sector 3 even with a long straight before that like Sochi had, the cornering speeds and therefore loads the tyres had are not comparable to any other racing series so its a completely different balance for heating due to pressures than compared to cars which have great acceleration but have way lower cornering speeds/loads.

Yes they cool out faster on straights than with high pressures but not like anything you imply. If it were for wet conditions it would be different, those are different conditions as the workload is lower than NORMAL race conditions, more time on the straights and less load in the corners which makes higher pressures give more heat.

The game simply gives you higher temps with higher pressure, not average nothing lol no matter if on straights or in corners the DATA says higher pressure - higher temperatures! This was different though in F1 2021.. in that game straights made lower pressures give you higher temps and corner lower temps and for high pressures the other way around.
I guess you didn't watch the french GP then or the team radios 🙃
I have a truckload of telemetry files via the PXG and Itko Ren apps, all the way from F1 2019. Give me your email and I'll shoot you a cloud link, if you want.
Try spotting lower pressures giving higher average temps throughout a lap.
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@mariohomoh Yup searing heat melting the tires is obviously a normal circumstance... Which obviously favours putting less load on the tyres..

What, game data?😂 Or somehow got the actual telemetry of real life F1 thats highly confidential?

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