EA Staff (Retired)@Mikulitsi We checked for you, single practice session and Short qualify are the same grip as P3 and Q3 respectively, and rubbering is scaled to max out at the end of sessions.
@DavidG53 Hi David
if the game direction is heading towards a simulator, will there be more of a incentive to run No Assist's vs Assists. outside the esports drivers seems like there is no incentive to run no assists and the risk risk reward isn't there. just going of the time trial times ABS seems to be the Meta, and i have lap times in the top 100 and have people 4 tenths quicker using full assists. in other sim games if you use assists and say for example pin it out of a corner and the game hast to apply Traction Control you engine speed would be effected and loose speed, similar to ABS you braking distance would be longer. the risk with no assist's is you get it wrong you DNF or have car damage, but the reward was if you got it right you are quicker than a car running full assists.
is this something that has been looked into or going to be looked into for the future?
thanks
Don't want to force people to use no assists, however majority or racing game/sims have a risk/reward factor if you use no assists. having someone using full traction ABS and automatic gears go faster than someone who is smooth on the throttle so they don't brake traction doesn't make sense. i have tried with only brake assists on with everything off and its crazy how much quicker and never have to lift of and when i do i can stamp on throttle with no worries of a spin. if the game is heading down a sim route i was just intreste to see by how much.
i run 110 AI, like i said outside the Esports boys most normal people are .500 tenths behind them using the same assists. during esports qualifying i have reached the top 100, my argument is that there people people running lap times with assists on within the top 50 as a sim game letting the game virtually drive for you and be that quick seems odd. i get the esports boys are fast same with most sims you have people that are just insanely quick ACC has it i am comparing normal drivers.
i am not here for a massive assists v no assists debate, just enquiring if there any plans for changes, as you say ABS is superior but so can traction having the game hold on power and then bang for throttle with no loss of speed, where as you do it without traction 1 green bar to much spin the wheels and loose 2tenths on 1 corner exit.
seeing someone's time within 3 tenths of the top 10 using traction abs and gears isn't exaggerating
@MeanmachineP7Can you prove he is not cheating.. On PC you only ever see that from cheaters.. Have you actually tried ABS, TC and auto gears to improve your good laptimes? I am losing 9 tenths only from auto gears and TC lol
its on console, i have tried with a couple assist's on off etc and i can get close to my time but normally 2 tenths slower. i mean either way i am not fussed just be intrested to see if the new handling model will the effectiveness of assist's
@MeanmachineP7having "only brake assists on with everything off" and being able to "never have to lift" (what I assume is the throttle) doesn't make much sense, mate. Anyway, saying that turning on ABS or TC means that a player can take a corner with 100% braking followed by 100% throttle and still be faster is an exaggeration that does not help this debate at all. It is only faster if they're a bad player and the alternative would be crashing or going off track.
As Meza said, current credible testing shows that all assists slow you down significantly except for a good player with ABS - just doesn't slow you down "enough". This could be rebalanced by making ABS engaging much earlier so that players aren't able to keep their performance just at the limit of grip as easily, or make it so that engaging ABS relieves even more braking pressure thus lengthening stopping distances and making braking less effective.
Having ABS or TC assists on do not and should not mean an automatic time penalty in any game, simracer or arcade. For said assists to engage, the driver must exceed the car's capabilities for braking and for acceleration in a given moment. It can still be rebalanced to make these activation periods even more punishing, but that is far far away from either (1 ) being able to slam down whichever pedal during the lap and ( 2) having an automatic time penalty or the like.
With F1 22 having more data points for tyre load vs grip as David Greco said, this rebalancing (if indeed needed) could be easily attainable by making the assist engage earlier in the grip curve.
Again, that TC holds you down but cutting too much power on wide open throttle out of corners has already been demonstrated. With ABS, it seems to still be up in the air but seems to still hurt your lap times, just not enough and as such could use some rebalancing. But we really should move over this "players slam down and be faster" unrealistic argument.
Those entries tagged with TC and ABS enabled are most likely better players that got good laps without ever engaging or simply not engaging those assists enough, just that.
@DavidG53 wrote:@Mikulitsi We checked for you, single practice session and Short qualify are the same grip as P3 and Q3 respectively, and rubbering is scaled to max out at the end of sessions.
Thank you very much for this reply! This is something that I've been curious about with couple other league racers so it's nice to know this. I guess what you said applied for F1 2021 as well as F1 22?
@Meza994 But I don't think that's unrealistic the Top Speed at the Speed trap was at 327 for Verstappen
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2022/bahrain-grand-prix/race-classification
oh god, 3rd gear is the fastest one for monaco hairpin, you cannot use 2nd or 1st in the game. Amazing. Fix it now
Are the setups still dumbed down to like 1-10 clicks and setup options still just a few different parameters?
EA Staff (Retired)EA Staff (Retired)Handling is amazing this year. I wasn't expecting such a big leap. I love how presets are automatically loaded based on the track you are racing at. Basically if a user doesn't want to tweak setups this year he/she can do it. Really good job!
