Re: Fuel Consumption

Quick question, you guys performing the Race Strat Prog?

Much like @Albert_Park_ I'm not experiencing it and I too do this program in FP.

Actually last time I experienced it was in F1 2020 running with Alfa Romeo and I'm almost certain it was my fault.

Oh and I forgot.  If your doing the race strategy program. If your using drs in all the zones.  It means you’ll use less fuel.   So the game won’t  calculate your fuel consumption accurately for the race and will under fill your car.   As during the race you don’t use drs in every zone off every lap. II tend to add a click downforce during race practice program.

It wasn’t a issue before last patch. So I’m assuming it’s been adjusted. This was always the case in previous years race programs.   And I assumed it was either a bug or by design in this years game

I need to test a bit more to try and 'figure out' exactly how the whole fuel consumption is, because to me, it's been super random since my first MyTeam season - I'm about to start season 4 (today) - and a lot of weird things happened on that regard for me so far..

First of all, I must say that I ALWAYS and MANUALLY do the Race Strategy Program and I try to push just as much as I would in the race, trying to keep my pace as similar to what I'm gonna do in the actual race, etc.. so the calculations made by the program would be as precise as possible - and yes, I always took all 5 (five) laps of the program..

In 99% of the races, even after investing on fuel consumption (to reduce it, of course), I would have to carry at least about 2 (two) extra laps of fuel.

In 99% of the time, whatever initial fuel the game would suggest to me before a race would be WRONG and then I'd have to 'guess' the right amount and usually I would add MORE fuel, just to be on the safe side - sometimes I would finish the race with a lot of extra fuel and sometimes I'd have pretty much none left in the tank..

Then yesterday, for my final race on season 3, I decided to put the exact amount of fuel for the number of laps (in this case, 29 laps at Abu Dhabi), which was also LESS fuel than what the game suggested to me - I was afraid I'd ran out of fuel before the end, but.. to my surprise, I finished the race just fine and with a little bit more fuel left - no Safety Cars or anything during the race.

My intention is to keep doing that for season 4, also because my car is almost fully developed, especially in the Power Train department, which is where the fuel usage upgrades are, but I still expect to have a few more 'surprises' during the races.

So.. as I said at the beginning, things felt a bit random for me so far and let's see how they're gonna be in the future...

@ScarDuck14You're right, but as I told you, it's been super random to me since my 1st season on MyTeam on F1 22 - it used to be pretty precise throughout all of the seasons on MyTeam on F1 2021..

I'm very close to having the car fully developed, especially the fuel usage components and then I believe (guess.. hope..) it gets more precise from now on - but even if so, it's kind of a shame that it only gets more precise when your car (or at least this particular component) is more developed.. - I mean..

I think it should ALWAYS be as precise as possible (once you manually complete all 5 laps of the Race Strategy Program) and the only thing that should variate is the total amount of fuel the game will give you for the races - meaning at the first seasons, with a car that's not too developed, you should have to carry more fuel and then as your car progresses, you'd be able to carry less and less fuel for the same number of laps on future seasons - as it used to be on F1 2021, for example..

Just to express what I just said using actual numbers & figures:

Let's say on season 1 you need about 50 L for 30 laps on a certain track..
And then on season 2, with a more developed car, you'd need about 45 L to complete those same 30 laps on that same track..
And then less and less fuel, season after season, the more developed your car is, etc, etc, etc..
But the point is: after doing that program, the game should always calculate and give you the exact total amount of fuel you're gonna need for XX laps, without the player having to save fuel at some point during the race, or even worrying about it at all..

This used to make more sense until F1 2020, where the player could change the Fuel Mix during the races and then increase of decrease that mix to gain more performance, or to save fuel if necessary.
Now, the rules don't let you change the fuel mix anymore (except when there's a Safety Car), so the game should always give you the exact and precise amount of fuel you need to complete all the laps without Safety Car and without having to save fuel, etc..

Anyway.. it seems a lot of people have been getting a lot of different values and fuel loads and all kinds of crazy situations about the fuel, so it seems kind a little bit too random to me and MAYBE this is also another thing that still needs some adjustment in this game..

I think something may depend on how fast you are when doing race program. I mean, when I was racing that kind of mode in F1 2020 I was doing the programs just to earn money, I was still at the first track approach, besides not pushing as I could. Or at least when I was ready for the race my pace was different. So the estimated consumption was different from the real. Simple and correct.

In F1 2020 was not really a problem, I was used to charge more fuel in any case (except Monaco) to spend it with ‘Rich’ during the race.

Since F1 2021 is different but it would be nice to test a race program “after” the race, in other words when you have the same identical pace (unless you are already sure about that).

Regards,

Nuv

@SexyBrigadeirojust a quick add as I'm loosely following this subject.

1. Don't think it's platform-related. As I play on PS5 and so does @ScarDuck14 whereas we both got very different results.
2. My best guess's still relating it to ERS/DRS during the practice programs and how their influence is taken into account upon the fuel calculation step. Tho @Nuvolarix has some reason when stating that pace has influence on fuel calculation. I feel both pace and corners approach different after some 10-15 laps so the Daniel doing some 5ish laps during FP sessions isn't the same Daniel after some 30ish laps in the race - this could've been waived in previous releases and may got lost somewhere in these recent patches.

Cheers everyone,
Dan

Well, here's something interesting that just happened. 

I'm now a full season further on, and just gone back to Imola. I didn't do any meaningful practice running, because both sessions were absolutely fully wet, and Qualy, the sprint and main race were all forecast bone dry. Obviously, no race strategy programme, so no calculation for fuel. 

I didn't take much note of the fuel during the sprint, except to say that I know I started with exactly 1.5 extra of fuel in, and I did a little lift and coast and also had a safety car,so I was never going to be really close on fuel for it anyway. But in the main race, because I didn't quite trust the preset calculation, I put 2.7 in, basically so I could push at first and worry about any fuel saving later on. No real basis of how I came to that number, just a stab in the dark basically. 

Only, I didn't have to fuel save. At all. I went from being +2.7 at the start to +3.0 after ten laps, given I'd been pushing like mad those ten laps as well. Absolutely no lift and coast, very minimal short shifting to control traction. Even at full throttle on the main straight it would go down by 0.1, but as soon as I hit the brakes I would gain that back and then a little on top of it to boot. 

After a safety car, I saved up to +4.6. And once again, after it went in, pushing every lap as fast as I possibly could, I ended up with nearly +5 laps more fuel than I needed by the end of the race!

@MrPaulHellionSo moral off the story… not doing race strategy practice program  gives a more accurate fuel reading….. Typical 🙄

Thanks for posting that as I have all my set ups now and car is maxed I may aswell just skip practice programs.. they’ve been a mess since game was launched anyway

@ScarDuck14 @MrPaulHellion @Nuvolarix @dancrodrigues 

I think I have some interesting info/data to share, guys..

I've just had a race at Baku last friday - MyTeam, Season 5, Round 6 (for me, on a 16 races calendar) and the car is fully developed - and then I decided to take a look at the info shown by the game after you complete the Race Strategy Program and here's what I got:

So, the numbers/values highlighted in GREEN and BLUE are the ones that REALLY matter - these are the values PROPERLY calculated by the game according to what the PLAYER did during the program - if you use too much DRS/ERS it will be calculated based on that and if you don't use too much DRS/ERS, it will be calculated on that as welll - meaning the calculations will be made according to your own 'driving style' - if you burn more fuel during the program, the numbers will be higher/bigger.. and if you burn less fuel, the numbers will be lower/smaller - you can drive in ANY ways you want and you can TRUST these numbers.

So, Baku for me is a 26 laps race (50% of real life distance) and then all I need to do is multiply that 1.68 by 26 and I'll get a value of 43.68, which should be the exact amount of fuel I need for the race - BUT..

As you guys can see, the game gives you a little extra - probably just for safety - of 43.75, but that value should also be ok and trustable for you to finish the race just fine - these calculations are exactly, literally and precisely the amount of fuel you're gonna need for 26 laps IF you keep the EXACT same pace/driving style as you did in the Race Strategy Program during the race - obviously, if you drive the program on a certain 'style' and drive the race on a different style, the calculations won't match, BUT.. the most important thing is: we should ALWAYS push a bit more during the PRACTICE PROGRAM, so in the race you'd be safe - but if you do the opposite and keep a stronger/more aggressive pace during the race, then you'll be screwed, of course..

Still, at the beginning of the race, the game was giving me an even higher value for the fuel load - remember, I needed 43.75, but the game suggested me 45.7 (which in my case was enough fuel for 31.9 laps - THAT'S where the calculations are wrong - that's 5.9 extra laps of fuel, although the actual fuel load of 45.7 should give me only about 2 or 3 laps of extra fuel)..

Anyway.. long story short:

- The issue I'm having is with the actual number of extra laps the game is showing me - these values are NOT trustable for me - BUT..

- The numbers highlighted in GREEN and BLUE are 100% trustable (at least to me) and if I manually calculate the total race fuel using the GREEN value, or if I simply trust the BLUE value as my total fuel load for the race, I should be fine.

The problem is still the fact that the GAME should make all of those calculations PROPERLY and give me the EXACT amount of fuel before the race starts, BUT... it's just not doing it and it keeps giving me those completely weird values based on god only knows what, because they completely ignore and don't match the numbers the game gives me at the end of the Race Strategy Program..

Sorry, mate.. LOL

But jah.. re-check the post above yours, please.. it has some interesting info that may help you, since you and I are having the same issue right now - I think I found a solution or at least a small workaround - cheers!

@ScarDuck14 
LOL - I'm not a kid anymore either, so.. don't worry, that's kind of a problem to me as well (remembering numbers from a few mins ago - LOL)

But jah.. as I said, it's a shame we have to 'manually' do that since the game is giving us values that just don't match our own 'realities', BUT.. for what I could see, those values in GREEN and BLUE are trustable and I'll do more tests in the future races just to double check that, but for now they seem to work just fine!

I suggest you to just write them down on a piece of paper or something and then always add a very tiny extra for safety if you don't feel 100% comfortable to putting the exact value..

Let me know if it works for you and/or if you find any other interesting info about this crazy and annoying issue - cheers, my friend!
=)

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@SexyBrigadeiroit looks like the actual fuel load calculation for Baku is OK (45.7 => 27.2 laps, based on RS avg 1.68 per lap). But how it got to evaluate it as 31.9 laps, that surprises me.

NB I also play on Steam on PC.

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@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@SexyBrigadeiroWrite it down? What blasphemy is this? I’m a middle aged man. We don’t ask for directions, we don’t read instructions and reading quick start guides take to long😂

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I feel you, @ScarDuck14 , TL;DR is the best I can manage most of the time 😉