Re: Fuel Consumption

@SexyBrigadeirojust a quick add as I'm loosely following this subject.

1. Don't think it's platform-related. As I play on PS5 and so does @ScarDuck14 whereas we both got very different results.
2. My best guess's still relating it to ERS/DRS during the practice programs and how their influence is taken into account upon the fuel calculation step. Tho @Nuvolarix has some reason when stating that pace has influence on fuel calculation. I feel both pace and corners approach different after some 10-15 laps so the Daniel doing some 5ish laps during FP sessions isn't the same Daniel after some 30ish laps in the race - this could've been waived in previous releases and may got lost somewhere in these recent patches.

Cheers everyone,
Dan

Well, here's something interesting that just happened. 

I'm now a full season further on, and just gone back to Imola. I didn't do any meaningful practice running, because both sessions were absolutely fully wet, and Qualy, the sprint and main race were all forecast bone dry. Obviously, no race strategy programme, so no calculation for fuel. 

I didn't take much note of the fuel during the sprint, except to say that I know I started with exactly 1.5 extra of fuel in, and I did a little lift and coast and also had a safety car,so I was never going to be really close on fuel for it anyway. But in the main race, because I didn't quite trust the preset calculation, I put 2.7 in, basically so I could push at first and worry about any fuel saving later on. No real basis of how I came to that number, just a stab in the dark basically. 

Only, I didn't have to fuel save. At all. I went from being +2.7 at the start to +3.0 after ten laps, given I'd been pushing like mad those ten laps as well. Absolutely no lift and coast, very minimal short shifting to control traction. Even at full throttle on the main straight it would go down by 0.1, but as soon as I hit the brakes I would gain that back and then a little on top of it to boot. 

After a safety car, I saved up to +4.6. And once again, after it went in, pushing every lap as fast as I possibly could, I ended up with nearly +5 laps more fuel than I needed by the end of the race!

@MrPaulHellionSo moral off the story… not doing race strategy practice program  gives a more accurate fuel reading….. Typical 🙄

Thanks for posting that as I have all my set ups now and car is maxed I may aswell just skip practice programs.. they’ve been a mess since game was launched anyway

@ScarDuck14 @MrPaulHellion @Nuvolarix @dancrodrigues 

I think I have some interesting info/data to share, guys..

I've just had a race at Baku last friday - MyTeam, Season 5, Round 6 (for me, on a 16 races calendar) and the car is fully developed - and then I decided to take a look at the info shown by the game after you complete the Race Strategy Program and here's what I got:

So, the numbers/values highlighted in GREEN and BLUE are the ones that REALLY matter - these are the values PROPERLY calculated by the game according to what the PLAYER did during the program - if you use too much DRS/ERS it will be calculated based on that and if you don't use too much DRS/ERS, it will be calculated on that as welll - meaning the calculations will be made according to your own 'driving style' - if you burn more fuel during the program, the numbers will be higher/bigger.. and if you burn less fuel, the numbers will be lower/smaller - you can drive in ANY ways you want and you can TRUST these numbers.

So, Baku for me is a 26 laps race (50% of real life distance) and then all I need to do is multiply that 1.68 by 26 and I'll get a value of 43.68, which should be the exact amount of fuel I need for the race - BUT..

As you guys can see, the game gives you a little extra - probably just for safety - of 43.75, but that value should also be ok and trustable for you to finish the race just fine - these calculations are exactly, literally and precisely the amount of fuel you're gonna need for 26 laps IF you keep the EXACT same pace/driving style as you did in the Race Strategy Program during the race - obviously, if you drive the program on a certain 'style' and drive the race on a different style, the calculations won't match, BUT.. the most important thing is: we should ALWAYS push a bit more during the PRACTICE PROGRAM, so in the race you'd be safe - but if you do the opposite and keep a stronger/more aggressive pace during the race, then you'll be screwed, of course..

Still, at the beginning of the race, the game was giving me an even higher value for the fuel load - remember, I needed 43.75, but the game suggested me 45.7 (which in my case was enough fuel for 31.9 laps - THAT'S where the calculations are wrong - that's 5.9 extra laps of fuel, although the actual fuel load of 45.7 should give me only about 2 or 3 laps of extra fuel)..

Anyway.. long story short:

- The issue I'm having is with the actual number of extra laps the game is showing me - these values are NOT trustable for me - BUT..

- The numbers highlighted in GREEN and BLUE are 100% trustable (at least to me) and if I manually calculate the total race fuel using the GREEN value, or if I simply trust the BLUE value as my total fuel load for the race, I should be fine.

The problem is still the fact that the GAME should make all of those calculations PROPERLY and give me the EXACT amount of fuel before the race starts, BUT... it's just not doing it and it keeps giving me those completely weird values based on god only knows what, because they completely ignore and don't match the numbers the game gives me at the end of the Race Strategy Program..

Sorry, mate.. LOL

But jah.. re-check the post above yours, please.. it has some interesting info that may help you, since you and I are having the same issue right now - I think I found a solution or at least a small workaround - cheers!

@ScarDuck14 
LOL - I'm not a kid anymore either, so.. don't worry, that's kind of a problem to me as well (remembering numbers from a few mins ago - LOL)

But jah.. as I said, it's a shame we have to 'manually' do that since the game is giving us values that just don't match our own 'realities', BUT.. for what I could see, those values in GREEN and BLUE are trustable and I'll do more tests in the future races just to double check that, but for now they seem to work just fine!

I suggest you to just write them down on a piece of paper or something and then always add a very tiny extra for safety if you don't feel 100% comfortable to putting the exact value..

Let me know if it works for you and/or if you find any other interesting info about this crazy and annoying issue - cheers, my friend!
=)

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@SexyBrigadeiroit looks like the actual fuel load calculation for Baku is OK (45.7 => 27.2 laps, based on RS avg 1.68 per lap). But how it got to evaluate it as 31.9 laps, that surprises me.

NB I also play on Steam on PC.

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@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@SexyBrigadeiroWrite it down? What blasphemy is this? I’m a middle aged man. We don’t ask for directions, we don’t read instructions and reading quick start guides take to long😂

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I feel you, @ScarDuck14 , TL;DR is the best I can manage most of the time 😉

@P4st3l1ak 

"it looks like the actual fuel load calculation for Baku is OK (45.7 => 27.2 laps, based on RS avg 1.68 per lap). But how it got to evaluate it as 31.9 laps, that surprises me."

Exactly, right?

This doesn't make any sense, but THAT'S the actual problem I'm having (and I assume @ScarDuck14 as well) - I mean, it's not exactly the fuel calculation that's wrong, but the number of LAPS I can take with said fuel load - which also screws up the total amount of fuel I should carry, because with that crazy wrong value, I can't know for sure the exact (safe) amount I need to use for the race - BUT.. it seems now I found that 'workaround' and all I need to do is keep an eye on those numbers circled in green and blue and I need to use THEM instead of anything else the game is telling me..

And yes, I can push as much as I can (or go super slow if I want) during the Race Strategy Program, because those numbers in green and blue will represent exactly what I did (and how I drove the car) during those 5 laps and then all I have to do is keep about the same pace/driving style during the race and I should be fine - the only thing we should NEVER do is to go slower on the program and then push harder in the race (careful about that, gentlemen!) - in this case, we would run out of fuel (or have to save - lift & coast) - the opposite is ok though and actually recommended: you can push super hard during the program (use as much DRS/ERS as you want/can) and then in the race it's ok if you push a little less - you'll finish the race with some fuel left in your tank just fine and no need to save, or do anything else, even without any Safety Cars, etc..

Once again, it's still weird that it was working just fine before patch 1.10 & 1.11 and then it got 'broken', so I'm still pretty sure something in the patches glitched that particular aspect of the game for a few players - and it's also not platform related, since you also play on Steam yourself - it's probably just another F1 22 mystery... - lol

Same problem with fuel calibration on the PS4 in My Team.  

Yesterday at Jeddah:

• Race Strategy Program  -- 1.87 kg / lap, 93.5 kg for a full race distant of 50 laps
• Pre-race Strategy Screen -- Fuel Load 93.5 kg fuel, "55 laps"

I fueled up with 94 kg for the race and my HUD shows that I'm plus 5.3 laps of fuel at the start of the race.  By the end of the race I was just under + 2 laps of fuel (there was a safety car and the usual traffic at Jeddah, so I burned quite a bit less than 1.87 kg per lap).  So the glitch is that the amount of fuel used per lap isn't calibrated according to the results of the Race Strategy program as it should be.

This is not a big problem if you pay attention to how much fuel you're burning in practice and on the Race Strategy program and fuel up accordingly....

...but it is a real problem if you'd like to start a bit under-fueled as you can' t tell where you are on fuel until it's too late (unless you do a lot of math during the race, which is no fun).

@sc31245 

"So the glitch is that the amount of fuel used per lap isn't calibrated according to the results of the Race Strategy program as it should be."

Exactly!

But I'm glad this seems to be another confirmation that by checking the numbers after the Race Strat. Prog. we can still put the right amount of fuel for the race - although it's a shame the game is not doing it properly for us and then we can't try a few 'variations' for the fuel strategy properly.

And it also confirms (even more) it's not platform related either, but it's still weird that it affects people 'randomly', regardless of their platform..

Cheers and good racing, mate!

Definitely seems something in the race strategy that doesn't calculate the correct amount of fuel used per lap. 

I've now done the Miami race, once again decided to forego doing the race strategy in practice. This time I started with +1.6. By the end of the race, I'd only just gone below 1.0. 

I'm fairly confident in saying that whenever I have done the race strategy prog, I've ended up burning fuel at a MUCH faster rate per lap than when I don't do it, even taking into account short shifts and lift and coast. 

Should add I'm on PS5. 

Guys, do you think this "glitch" may be related to particular Powertrain upgrades, or because you haven't installed it yet?

There are few Fuel Efficiency and Energy Recovery upgrades (e.g. flow, injectors, stators, etc.) which may have an impact on fuel consumption.

I know, it makes no sense it would differ between RS programme and actual race, especially when you drive more sensitively during the race than you drove in programme. But you never know.