Re: Horrible state of F1 22
@Meza994 See that’s the problem you spoke in clear English. Mario has got used to untangling understanding my confusing use off my own language
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- @ScarDuck14 Its not so bad usually haha only when you didnt sleep for a few days again😛
@Meza994Must say I’ve been sleeping every day for last few weeks. Can’t remember last time that happened. Although 3-4 hours broken sleep a night isn’t ideal least it’s stops my brain from going bonkers mental 👍
- @Meza994 My bad 🤷♂️
It's because it went from "Youtubers making..." to "FOM changing..." to just end with a "they/their".
Thought people were under the impression that F1 licensing deal with Codies was a big of a revenue source as FIFA's and would be inclined to change things around if videogame personalities were to throw stronger jabs and more frequently at the franchise.
Back on track, as long as these games keep on hitting their metrics with the general player base and the eSports scene can keep up at least the facade of a working, functional championship, I don't think youtubers on expensive rigs complaining about the state of online months after release would do much to force FOM into action.
The general F1 player has a controller in their hands. If sales on pre-orders and in the 2 weeks of the release window don't get hit on the head, a critical video months down the line isn't going to compensate for the previous hyping content driving those numbers up. @mariohomohDo you mean in proportional terms? Cause obviously FIFA games generate millions more than the F1 games so obviously FIFA would have got a larger chunk of change from EA.
- @ScarDuck14 Not really. If Codies were to net F1 1000 instead of 100, it doesn't necessarily become a cash cow if those 1000 still mean only 10% of their total revenue. And that can even be optimistic given how FOM bundle revenues up on their reports.
FIFA gets 25% from their brand licensing and we can assume most of it comes from EA pockets. It even got up to 60% just recently. Given that FIFA fails to turn up a profit on most fiscal years, let's say I'm definitely curious to see their reports for 2023 and 2024 🙂 - @mariohomoh All good, i know my sentences (longer ones) can be quite convoluted/misleading..
Totally agree that - as proven - the licensing money is not a great deal for FOM etc.
I agree with you that months after release doesnt bother anyone about the current game, but if say the 20 biggest content creators would all release a video saying if things keep like this the next game is not worth the money it can affect things IMO.. Maybe over 100m views on something like that (over all the channels) might have a noticable effect but will never happen - @mariohomoh That’s what I ment…. I think 😂
- @Meza994 oh definitely. Once content creators and "influencers" get to put out honest takes that actually get to impact initial sales, the picture takes different hues.
Can they, though? Can they actually drive these sales down? 🤷♂️ @mariohomohDoubt vast majority off people who have bought this game know off any content creators. Only videos they have likely watched are setup guides and general hints and tips videos.
Also I’m willing to also bet vast majority don’t put anymore than 20 hours into the game so they wouldn’t care about the issues we do
- @ScarDuck14 Precisely 💟
I really don't think the "F1 community" as a whole congeals around these youtubers and screamtubers as we think. - @ScarDuck14 While what both of you say are legit arguments id say many of those youtubers subscribers play the game.. And many of those really wouldnt care about the issues we have because they dont go that much in depth.. But at the same time those people would not buy a game which their content creator deems "Not worth the money".. lets say half of Opmeers subscribers play the game and half of that dont buy the game because he says its not worth it, thats 100k sales less or ~7 million $ less.. Only for one content creator..
Of course this is only guessworks on numbers nobody can be sure of etc. but i dont think the playerbase is as old as earlier on average and the "young" people sadly do revolve around content creators a lot more than we would like lol
..Its too early to become a boomer😂
In the end we will never know as i dont think anything like that has ever happened nor that it ever will, money rules.. - @Meza994 When I refer to content creators. I’m referring to the click baiting screamers. Although I quite like Ben.
I don’t think of the E-Sports guys as those. They do it more for a sideline as they in effect get paid for posting their practice sessions. If the most popular E-sports guys dropped videos openly saying don’t buy the game. That would probably get attention. But I don’t think they would be allowed to by their teams. Also it could jeopardise F1 E-Sports The YouTubers who particularly specialise in the F1 games are in a tricky spot. They rely on people watching their content for a living and so they suffer personally if the criticise the game to the extent that it reduces overall interest in the game since it will inevitably also decrease interest in their content. Pivoting to playing other games can obviously counteract this to a degree butt they're still bound to lose part of their audience. All the main YouTubers are regularly negative about the game in different ways but I totally understand and respect that there are limits to how far they'd go.
For a little balance I'll say I've just enjoyed spending about an hour driving round Jeddah in time trial, relearning a track I haven't driven for ages. Actually racing that track isn't so great due to the overtaking challenge but I do like it in TT, with cockpit cam adding notably to the sense of speed I think for those who haven't tried it. It also looks decent at the dusk time setting I chose. If I was being picky it would have been nice is the rival ghost 'cars' had had bodies rather than just wheels but we can't have everything!
@Ultrasonic_77 @Meza994 @mariohomoh @TotosHeadphones Jarno just made me look stupid😂.
Jarno DESTROYS F1 22. hahaha
Cant make out exactly what he said. But I’m sure he said he much likes next years game
Also think he’s obviously frustrated with cheatgate
@ScarDuck14Its as you said, Opmeer is in a better position to be vocal about the flaws.. But i have little faith of things changing..
There are so many easy changes that would help it, changes that are very logically the problem of the current game like what was said pre release that the tires will lose grip faster than previously (not because of wear) because of the differently build tyre (sidewall etc.) which probably went a little overboard again just like in 2021 the rear stability which went too low, 2019 the understeer which went too far..
Its almost like each year of bigger changes the handling model goes a step too far in the direction F1 and experts expect it to go, which is understandable but maybe they should go more carefully about such things in the future, handling changes dont have those extreme consequences since the high downforce era at least compared to whats expected, teams are too good now..- @Meza994 I’ve said many a time. That the devs go from one extreme to another. It’s like they slide the slider from max to min. Just find the middle for crying out loud
- @ScarDuck14 Hahaha true😂
Something interesting though - in the comments under opmeers video they are talking about the whole cheating stuff and im not gonna comment on the cheating itself, its not my business and we all should have the same opinion on competitive cheating..
However i find it interesting that the comments claim 0.015% more grip to be the difference.. Yet thats hardly believable.. 2% grip difference (between 2 tyre compounds in the game) are about 6 tenths.. so 0.015% would equal 0.018s more pace.. i will test it quickly maybe the different stability will change things more but again if those numbers are really the difference it wont explain the supposed 2 tenths.. However cheating is sitll cheating..
Just a curious observation haha @Meza994They don’t know for sure it’s the 0.015. I think it’s because it’s one of the cheats that is available in the cheat store. There were others 0.020 I think etc
But I’m also not sure.
I haven’t got to the comments yet. But he’s quite obviously fuming at the end of the video. He cut the audio from him sitting behind the wheel but you can clearly see he’s angry
@ScarDuck14Of course he is angry at cheating people, it makes sense..
However mathematically even 0.02% wouldnt make that difference but quick testing (not 100% reliable though cause i didnt wanna spend too much time) showed at least 1-1.5 tenths because it just felt a little more stable.. didnt expect it to actually feel like that with such a tiny difference and might have been placebo as i only did 3 laps without the "grip" and 2 laps with the "grip" but still.. Scientifically its really interesting.. Sports wise disgusting..Btw. i think i got my maths wrong lol would be a way smaller gain in laptime just in theory.. Anyway doesnt matter too much lol
@Meza994It's been suggested that the cheat is a 2% grip increase, not sure where that person who made the comment came up with that number. Apparently the cheat is more pronounced in FP1 when track grip levels are low but it's less evident in FP3 when the track is rubbered in.
Edit: You've done the testing.
There's a few videos out there showing comparison minimum corner speed that shouldn't really be achievable with low wings.
Anyway, not meaning to derail this thread...
- @TotosHeadphones Makes much more sense, especially as with lower grip levels it would be an even bigger advantage..
The confusion might be because of the way grip is calculated ingame.. Its based on 1.00 as maximum grip, not 100% so 0.02 would be 2% grip difference, probably somebody mixing up total numbers and percentages - @Meza994 Yes, you're right regarding the percentages and numbers. Coders vs normies 😂
@ScarDuck14 wrote:Cant make out exactly what he said. But I’m sure he said he much likes next years game
Do you mean at the start of the video? What Jarno says there is, "I might really like next year's game". So just being open the possibility rather than basing it on any particular insight I think.
- @Ultrasonic_77 Thanks dude I couldn’t quite make it out
@ScarDuck14 wrote:@Ultrasonic_77 @Meza994 @mariohomoh @TotosHeadphones Jarno just made me look stupid😂.
Jarno DESTROYS F1 22. hahaha
Cant make out exactly what he said. But I’m sure he said he much likes next years game
Also think he’s obviously frustrated with cheatgate
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N5cDkoCIScU
Yeah, Jarno sounds absolutely fed up with the game.
I hope EA/CM see the danger in having ESports drivers vocally spreading hate for the game. Particularly when the reason these guys got into ESports is because they used to love the game, and they’re super passionate for it.
It says it all when even these people (arguably some of the most passionate followers/players of the game) are making clear their dissatisfaction for the game.Jarno mentions how he has to drag himself to play the game now, which is something that he has never said about any F1 game before. Sooner or later the ESports drivers and big content creators are going to grow totally sick and tired of the game (which tbh, a lot of them already have - at least the ones that have expressed this very vocally) and it’s will NOT reflect well on the game at all.
The Esports drivers are arguably some of the people who used to be passionate for the game the most, and it says so much when even them are hating it now, like Jarno.
