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RedRevNow
3 years ago

[Suggestion] F1 2023 (or F1 20xx) - ERS Model Overhaul

We desperately need a overhaul of the ERS Model for F1 2023 or F1 20xx:

To be more precise, a combination of the old F1 2018 - F1 2019 ERS Model (where we could switch through multiple different ERS Modes) & the newer F1 2020 - F1 2021 ERS Model (where ERS was fully automatic and we could only use the Overtake Button) would be needed, if we want a more realistic experience.

As a example, that could be achieved by giving us 4 Fully Automated ERS Modes as SOC (State of Charge):

SOC 1. ERS Charging 100% / No Deployment
SOC 2. ERS Charging 75% / ERS Deployment 25 %
SOC 3. ERS Charging 50% / ERS Deployment 50 %
SOC 4. ERS Charging 25% / ERS Deployment 75%

The Attack Mode / Overtake Mode will stay as a button in the game, which we have to press in order to get a short temporary boost and 100% ERS Deployment.

The Quali-Mode (or Party Mode), will only be available during Qualifying.

This solution would, imo, be infintely better than what we got in F1 2020 & F1 2021!

PS: Bonus Points for Codemasters, if they actually make it possible to see the change of SOC / Brake Bias / Differential as a "Pop Up" on the steering wheel display for Cockpit drivers, and possibly even add a proper Helmet Cam.

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  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @goodhand12 I think nobody will disagree that managing 8 modes - while still less than what they had IRL - is annoying and unnecessary haha nobody wants that many back
  • yrek150's avatar
    yrek150
    Rising Scout
    3 years ago

    I think, that good idea may be approach like with fuel on the F1 2020 - less differences between all the ERS modes, so micro management would be less powerfull.

    And maybe four or five modes:

    Mode 0: Fail-safe mode, to use only in case of failure - no deployment, no charge, or small charge

    Mode 1: Charge - more charge, less deployment, maybe 60% charge/40% deployment

    Mode 2: Default - equal charge and deployment  50/50%

    Mode 3: Push - less charge, more deployment, 40% charge/60% deployment

    Mode 4: Overtake - 80% deploy, 20% charge

    Mode 5: Quali - Deploy about 100% allowed deployment trough full lap distance

    All of the modes should be pre mapped for each circuit, or we can map it manually. OR just on the car settings, we can set manually deployment/charge rate for modes 1, 2 and 3.

    I think It would be more realistic, and it will make micro management, like in 2019 less powerfull.

  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @yrek150 Would be the exact same flickering as in 2019, trust me.. Besides the ERS does work differently ingame, the modes dont change your charging rate, only how much power you deploy..

    Huge exploit potential and a lot of work to change it to something like this. It would be a more realistic but Esports guys would do it exactly like this: Overtake or quali for the acceleration zones in which you dont harvest anyway, from 280kph onwards mode 1 or 2 and for the braking, which is the point of the track where you charge by far the most, they go to mode 1.. Then for traction maybe Mode 3 and back up to mode 4/5..

    FYI in 2019 the modes only changed from 15% deployment in "low" to ~60% deployment in "overtake/hotlap".. Not really much difference to yours regarding the "benefit" being smaller..

    Its a cool idea but sadly not the fix, sorry
  • yrek150's avatar
    yrek150
    Rising Scout
    3 years ago

    We can always lock the quali mode only to practice, and quali sessions, and make ofertake effective only on high speeds.
    But I know that, on this stage of the game development, it's so hard do program, and test it well, so it's rather idea for the F1 23 game

  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @yrek150 Of course we can always lock things etc. but this would A) encourage the wrath of Mario and you dont want him to come at you with all his knowledge about the actual physics behind it😜 and B) still wouldnt fix it. They wouldnt use overtake unless they truly want to overtake which in Esports they most often dont want, they want to keep their battery high and overtake near the end. Also would be not realistic either..

    There are ways to fix it for a career mode (damage to the CE with each mode change - its not too unrealistic) but they wouldnt help with single races except for when you scale it up for those which then wouldnt be realistic again.. I dont think there is a solution for the flickering that will make everybody happy. For me personally 2 fully mappable modes + full power overtake and CE damage per change would be cool but everybody has a different opinion on this which is fine, most ideas would be interesting concepts just sometimes easy to exploit😄

    Obviously all our suggestions are for F1 23 at this point, we should all be on the same page there🙂
  • RedRevNow's avatar
    RedRevNow
    3 years ago
    @Meza994

    I read that too, that the charge mode itself did not change in F1 2018 / F1 2019, and that only the rate of deployment did.

    So how about we add yet another feature on top of what @yrek150 and i (in my original post at the beginning of this thread) have already proposed:

    Imagine that we can only change the ERS mode (or SOC) when the team gives us the greenlight to do so!

    For example, a few scenarios and how it would play out:

    1. Fresh out of the pits, 80+% ERS available, clean air in front, car in front is more than 10 seconds ahead. Team gives us the order to change ERS Mode (or SOC) to a higher rate, because of all the parameters mentioned above to attack. Once we go to a certain level of ERS used, for example less than 20%, the team will tell us to reduce the ERS mode to charge some energy.

    2. Stuck behind and inbetween 4 cars, a train, only around 8% ERS left, engine (or rather the Battery / Turbo Charger / MGUK / MGUH) has some wear. Team orders us to lower the rate of ERS mode (or SOC) and preserve the car.

    3. Start of the race, P16 in a Red Bull, Full ERS charge. Team does not give a order but, we can ask the engineer via the voice control / radio button if we can use a higher ERS Mode (or SOC) to attack.

    4. Being in "no-mans-land", car ahead 10+ seconds, car behind 10+ seconds, we drive in a Alfa Romeo, engine is showing some little amount of wear, we are in P10 and in the points. Team orders us to use the normal or default ERS Mode (or SOC). We can ask the Team to use a higher or lower ERS Mode (or SOC).

    In all 4 scenarios, we can not just randomly switch through ERS Modes from corner to corner, but we will always have to consult the engineer and the team, who will then give us either a green light and or tell us "No". This would certainly fix the issue of ERS abuse!!!

    Of course this would be a lot of work for Codemasters, as there would be a lot of parameters to be included and to be wary of, but we can not forget that they are professional video game developers with years and decades of experience, and now also have pretty much almost unlimited funds via EA!!!

    Codemaster, if they really wanted to (and or if the community really demands it), could easily do this in 1 or 2 years of development!!!

    PS: This combination of proposal would make the experience much more realistic, as in real life the drivers NEVER change the ERS Mode (or SOC) randomly on their own and always consult with their team. Whilst it is specifically the team itself that usually determines if the driver is allowed to change the ERS, and when. Sometimes it is also only the team that can change the ERS for the driver from the pitwall.
  • Dansmotorsport's avatar
    Dansmotorsport
    Rising Vanguard
    3 years ago

    Developers please do not change this for future games. What we have now is perfectly fine.
    I am one that understands that the deployment and recharge rate already changes per lap per corner entry and exit depending on what your battery level is at. Therefore all the driver needs to worry about is push to pass which is realistic.
    Yes teams have SOC modes but in the races the teams very very rarely change this in races as all the mapping is already done in software ready for the race beforehand.
    Adding ers modes will just go back to micro management and people constantly flickering which isn’t needed.

  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @RedRevNow Its fairly close to real life but then again it takes it all away from us, pretty much forced what we have to deal with and the only thing we can change is overtake button.. Which is like it is IRL for the drivers but the game has long gone past "only driving the car".. Yet it would obviously have some fans that way. It would fix the flickering but also not give us freedom to decide ourself when to push or when to save battery

    Could actually be the case i want to save battery when im in the middle of nowhere near the end to have battery to deploy at the end for fastest lap or push all out in order to be close enough because P9 has a penalty.. When the game dictates it it also kills the freedom.. Its extremely difficult to find something thats realistic in its approach, thats not killing the freedom yet killing the exploit. The funds or not unlimited, otherwise we would have multiple devs implementing new things into the handling model.. EA has endless money but will only ever give CM as much money as CM give EA back with sales..
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Dansmotorsport What part of the whole ERS data in the files tells you that the deployment rate depends on the battery level and corner entry/exit?

    Besides, you wouldnt even want the mapping to be modable in the setup? The game isnt only about what its like to drive the car.. Lots of players want to do more than that and should get the chance.
  • Dansmotorsport's avatar
    Dansmotorsport
    Rising Vanguard
    3 years ago

    @Meza994If you want to save battery for the end of the race don’t use overtake. Then your battery will recharge so you have battery at the end of the race.

    Personally id like it to be like the drivers have it irl so that the driving is down to how you drive not your management skills with ers and stuff that the drivers don’t control. Plus putting this into to system while the race is going on will just encourage micro management which isn’t realistic.

    Regards to the rate of charge depending on battery level I’m pretty sure I saw something said about it when it was first introduced by codemasters, however this is also why you don’t see esports using it unless they need to as the power output is less due to the battery being in a higher recovery mode.
    I have also experienced a similar thing that with a lower battery percentage say below 30 the power is less than when the battery is say above 70 and when you have none left the power is significantly less and therefore you are slower than if you have battery.
    This is why I also don’t use the ers unless I need to and never let it get less than 30 unless I’m on the last lap trying to close a gap.

    plus as you’ve said what we have now is the most realistic and that’s what most of us want from the game when driving the cars and not have to worry about what soc mode etc we are in.

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