Wheel v Pad & Assists v No Assists

@GregStarz I agree, pad is getting some kind of “simplified drive”, I watched very fast people (3-4 tenths from WR) preferring to race with pad rather than wheel because of that and yes, it’s a bit frustrating at least as we do not have differentiated rankings and options to choose whether allow pad or not (I’m a 107 AI no assists wheel racer).

About aids we know, at least ABS is OP also because you can use more rotating (so faster) settings without fearing any kind of tyres blocking. Once again everyone should enjoy the game, I understand,  but at least differentiated rankings would be necessary IMHO.

Regards,

Nuv

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@SomaticCoast375 wrote:

@GregStarz Also doing no assists on a wheel is much easier than doing no assists on pad. When talking to people on pad, the majority run at least one type of assist 

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I'm not sure your second point is really evidence to support the first point. I'm certain there will be a strong correlation between those likely to want the extra challenge of trying to drive without assists and those prepared to invest more money in the driving game experience by buying a wheel and pedals. 

I've done very little controller driving on the F1 games but my suspicion would actually be that the transition from assisted to no-assist driving would be easier. I say this as surely people generally have finer motor control with their fingers than their feet? I certainly do!

Regarding ABS my strong bet is that Jarno Opmeer could have been faster using it than not if he adapted his driving style to take advantage of it. This wouldn't to me make ABS OP but rather realistic. 

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@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:

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@SomaticCoast375 wrote:

@GregStarz Also doing no assists on a wheel is much easier than doing no assists on pad. When talking to people on pad, the majority run at least one type of assist 

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I'm not sure your second point is really evidence to support the first point. I'm certain there will be a strong correlation between those likely to want the extra challenge of trying to drive without assists and those prepared to invest more money in the driving game experience by buying a wheel and pedals. 

I've done very little controller driving on the F1 games but my suspicion would actually be that the transition from assisted to no-assist driving would be easier. I say this as surely people generally have finer motor control with their fingers than their feet? I certainly do!

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I’m talking about how rarer it is to find a no assist user on pad and not about who wants a wheel

@SomaticCoast375What @Ultrasonic_77 means (I guess) is that your point doesn't pack that much of a punch in this argument because statistically that could not be any other scenario.

All casuals and newbies play with pad.

All those that play with a wheel usually are experienced players with enough hours to justify the purchase and will tend to play with less or even no assists.

The group of highly experienced, good players that still play with a pad, that's the only one relevant for this discussion. Can you directly compare them to their equals in the wheel group, taking the casuals out of the equation? Hardly, as statistically any pad player you come across has a good chance of being a casual, and any wheel player you come across has an even better chance of being experienced.

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@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:

Regarding ABS my strong bet is that Jarno Opmeer could have been faster using it than not if he adapted his driving style to take advantage of it. This wouldn't to me make ABS OP but rather realistic. 

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Could be, and this intersects with what @Nuvolarix is saying. If instead of working like a race car ABS the F1 electronic assist were more akin to a road car ABS, it would engage much earlier so players wouldn't be able to keep their performance just at the limit of grip as easily. Or make it so that it relieves even more braking pressure, so if you overstep the grip limit enough to engage the ABS it would lengthen the braking distance even more.

We've had this discussion a handful of times in the OG forums. I'm of the same opinion as always:

• The "assists are overpowered" is usually baseless. People come up with irrelevant scenarios that do not support this conclusion or misconstrues how these assists do/should work;
• Never ever seen evidence of TC being overpowered. Usually it is uninspired players with no TC comparing themselves with uninspired players with TC on. Surely the latter have a better chance of performing better and that's as intended;
• ABS could maybe use some rework just to keep it on par with TC in efficiency...
• ... But I really don't care that much. Better filters to enforce assist use, discrete leaderboards for non-assisted scores and we'll be in a much better place without needing to mess with the game code.

Pad users have only used pads and because off the pads limitations.   Means the pad masters youve  encounted and  bested by:  Would have tried every setting and as most  f1 tracks have been on the roster for decades.  Will likely mean pads are an extension off the user’s fingers.  And because we can’t as easily stay  on the racing line through corners like you can with a wheel.  If like me and pretty much been forced explore every which way when attacking corner sections.   A lot off pad users may just have better track knowledge and know exactly where they are stronger and where they are weaker and have go to setups to help maximise where the pad is strong 

I've played every F1 game on controller as well as a bunch of other racing sims (rF1, rF2, GTR2, AMS1, AMS2, Race 07, R3E, AC, ACC, etc), imo controller support sucks in newer F1 games. There's built-in controller filters & dampers that cannot be turned off, those filters limit how much one can steer and cause input lag and make cars more difficult to drive; those filters might be OK for casuals that use tap steer and assists but they're nightmare for advanced users who use precision steering, no assists, and want to have full control of the car. In older F1 games such as F1 2012/2013 there was an option called "steering wheel override" that got rid of all the filters & dampers and enabled raw input, and then I could fine tune controller settings from there and have full control of the car. Imo CM should put back that option in newer F1 games, that would make the game way more fun to play for advanced players who use precision steering and all assists off.

I'm a seasoned non-assist pad league racer and imo, they've already nerfed the traction to the point where it's no longer an advantage over wheel drivers. In fact, I believe it's harder to race effectively on a pad and be in any way competitive.

Case in point:
On 2021, my traction was laughable. Off the start I had the ability to go from P6 to P1/2... just off the line. Obviously this gave me excellent performance out of corners and I made use of it. I earned wins and nearly 2 league titles with it.
In the wet it made me a damn GOD compared to the rest of the grid.

On the current game however, I no longer have that advantage. In fact it's taken me damn near the whole game cycle to get equal starts with those around me.

In my opinion, the wheel has the all around advantage now... on everything.
Better steering, no soft-lock when going through chicanes, better traction, better tyre usage, better physics when attacking curbs.

For me the issue is steering. I like to think I'm as smooth as I can be with my steering, but I AM limited by it.
I've been arguing the point for years that the pad settings need an overhaul.
Let the casuals have their steering assists, dampeners and whatnot... but let ME choose how I want my steering to behave and stop dampening it for me. Give me an override.