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DRudd13
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago

Why the AI is so hard to set.

I've been doing some qualifying runs on Xbox One (not sure the times will be the same on other machines). I know CM/EA don't have some of the information I do now. But it's still a mess. I've done 4 races so far, and don't mind doing more if the data is useful. I also know training AI takes a while, but does alter rating the time they run too?

Bahrain's difference between level 20-110 11.5 seconds for pole, 11.3 for P10 & 12.6 for last. Pole on 110 is 4.3 seconds quicker than real life. 100 is 2.6 seconds quicker

Saudi difference between level 20-110 11.7 for pole, 11.9 for p10 & 13.2 for last. Pole on 110 is 0.7 seconds quicker than real life. 100 is 0.9 slower.

Australia's difference between level 20-110 9.6 seconds for pole, 10.2 for p10 & 10.9 for last. Pole on 110 is 1.3 quicker than real life 100 is 0.2 quicker

Hungary's difference between level 20-110 9.6 seconds for pole, 10 for P10 & 10.5 for last. Pole on 110 is 2.7 quicker than real life. 100 is 1.5 quicker

To me, Hungary's AI looks perfectly spread out compared to the others, but is a lot faster than real life compared to others. While Australia's times are closer to reality. So a mix of both at all tracks would be great.

Bahrain AI Qualifying - actual qualifying time 1.30.5 level 64
AI        Pole     P10    Last                     DIF pole DIF p10 DIF last
110   1.26.2   1.28.1   1.28.8                  1.4         0.6          1.5
105   1.27.6   1.28.7   1.30.3                  0.3         0.8          0.4
100   1.27.9   1.29.5   1.30.7                  0.1         0.1          0.2
95     1.28.0   1.29.6   1.30.9                  0.8         0.6          0.1
90     1.28.8   1.30.2   1.31.0                  0.2         0.4          0.9
85     1.29.0   1.30.6   1.31.9                  0.9         0.1          0.3
80     1.29.9   1.30.7   1.32.2                  0.2         0.6          0.4
75     1.30.1   1.31.3   1.32.6                   0           0.4          0.2
70     1.30.1   1.31.7   1.32.8                  1.3         1.1           1.7
60     1.31.4   1.32.8   1.34.5                  1.8         1.9           1.7
50     1.33.2   1.34.7   1.36.2                  1.7         1.7           1.9
40     1.34.9   1.36.4   1.38.1                  1.7         1.6           1.7
30     1.36.6   1.38.0   1.39.8                  1.1         1.4           1.6
20     1.37.7   1.39.4   1.41.4                    -              -               -

Saudi Arabia - Actual qualifying time 1.28.2 around level 102
110   1.27.5   1.28.7   1.29.7                   0.4         0.5          1.1
105   1.27.9   1.29.2   1.30.8                   1.2         0.8          0.5
100   1.29.1   1.30.0   1.31.3                   0.3         0.6          0.7
95     1.29.4   1.30.6   1.32.0                    0.2         0.3          0.9
90     1.29.6   1.30.9   1.32.9                    0.4         0.6          0.3
85     1.30.0   1.31.5   1.33.2                    0.2         0.5          0.6
80     1.30.2   1.32.0   1.33.8                    0.3         0.3          0.1
75     1.30.5   1.32.3   1.33.9                    1.1         0.3          0.2
70     1.31.6   1.32.6   1.34.1                    0.8         1.6          1.7
60     1.32.4   1.34.2   1.35.8                    1.9         1.6          1.8
50     1.34.3   1.35.8   1.37.6                    1.2         1.5          1.3
40     1.35.5   1.37.3   1.38.9                    1.6         1.7          2.1
30     1.37.1   1.39.0   1.41.0                    2.1         1.6          1.9
20     1.39.2   1.40.6   1.42.9                       -             -             -

Australia - Actual qualifying time 1.17.8 level 93
110   1.16.5   1.17.5   1.18.5                  0.5          1.0          0.7
105   1.17.0   1.18.5   1.19.2                  0.6          0.5          0.7
100   1.17.6   1.19.0   1.19.9                    0           0.3          0.3
95     1.17.6   1.19.3   1.20.2                  1.2          0.2          0.6
90     1.18.8   1.19.5   1.20.8                +0.4          0.4          0.4
85     1.18.4   1.19.9   1.21.2                  0.9          0.2          0.3
80     1.19.3   1.20.1   1.21.5                  0.1          0.6          1.0
75     1.19.4   1.20.7   1.22.5                  0.3          0.3        +0.1
70     1.19.7   1.21.0   1.22.4                  1.1          1.4          1.3
60     1.20.8   1.22.4   1.23.7                  1.2          1.3          1.4
50     1.22.0   1.23.7   1.25.2                  1.6          1.2          1.2
40     1.23.6   1.24.9   1.26.4                  1.3          1.8          1.9
30     1.24.9   1.26.7   1.28.3                  1.2          1.0          1.1
20     1.26.1   1.27.7   1.29.4                     -              -              -

Hungary - Actual qualifying time 1.17.3 level 76
110   1.14.6   1.15.9   1.17.2                  0.6          0.5           0.8
105   1.15.2   1.16.4   1.18.0                  0.6          0.7           0.3
100   1.15.8   1.17.1   1.18.3                  0.4        +0.1           0.4
95     1.16.2   1.17.0   1.18.7                  0.2           0.8           0.1
90     1.16.4   1.17.8   1.18.8                  0.3           0.6           0.7
85     1.16.7   1.18.4   1.19.5                  0.4           0.2           0.1
80     1.17.1   1.18.6   1.19.6                  0.5           0.1           0.7
75     1.17.4   1.18.7   1.20.3                  0.5           0.5           0.4
70     1.17.9   1.19.0   1.20.7                  1.4           1.2           1.1
60     1.19.3   1.20.2   1.21.8                  1.0           1.6           1.7
50     1.20.3   1.21.8   1.23.5                  1.1           1.3           1.3
40     1.21.4   1.23.1   1.24.8                  1.8           1.5           1.8
30     1.23.2   1.24.6   1.25.9                  1.0           1.3           1.8
20     1.24.2   1.25.9   1.27.7                     -               -               -

6 Replies

  • AI on F1 22 is TOO HARD. It is impossible to have fun. Their speed is impossible to match especially out of the corners. Its like they have a stupid amount of traction when the press the throttle. It needs fixing ASAP because I havent played F1 22 MyCareer in weeks now because of this. I ve spend 60 Euros and Instead enjoying the game it is on my desk doing nothing. Also the sound for every game mode is horrible. Like a glitch sound

  • DRudd13's avatar
    DRudd13
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Unknown290302 Hopefully the straight line speed is sorted soon, because like you, I'm not playing myteam and normally do all 10 seasons. I haven't even started one yet. Just testing in GP mode, and I've had it since launch. But this is more to do with the difference between levels. Because to me, every track should have around the same difference between 20-110. And 100 should be around real life in my view.
  • i experienced some differences, but started season (no my team) with ferrari and my character before patch 1.06

    used to play previous games at 90 max......(no, i'm not the guy who says i play at 110 using only my toes and drinking coffee...... 😬)

    and this year after some tests in quick gp mode, i set 65 for quali and 70 for race...

    bahrein    1,29,7 (ai at 65); me 1,30,0

    australia   1,20,1 (ai at 65); me 1,18,7

    imola        1,17,2 (ai at 60); me 1,18,0 after patch 1.06

    miami       1,30,2 (ai at 60); me 1,29,6 after patch 1.07

    what i notice obviously is that ai is so much op and hard....and that it seems that quali is faster than race, with a quite constant ratio, between 65 and 70

    but in miami yesterday, the race was full wet, set in 65...i started 1' and had so great battles with Lec, until he passed me and suddenly was at  -12'' after 5/7 laps......so unrealistic.

    regarding your time evaluations, i find it completely different but can be because you recorded them after patch 1.07 for australia and bahrein also if seems quite difficult to understand.

    the final point: the real times are always beaten from ai too easily and at ridicolous difficulties.....they should match them only at 100.

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    DRudd13
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @6zu4dwx0ubzn Yes, I did do it after patch 1.07. And you sound around the same level as me, I could probably sneak up to 95 last year if I was a Merc in the weekly event. Quali is always faster than the race because of fuel loads and is the same for the player, so that's not a worry. I haven't done anything in the rain yet, but again it's sounding like they’re just too perfect in the rain, as has been the case in the last few games till fixed. Totally agree with the final point, but CM/EA won't of had a lot of the data we have now, and still half a season to go. I suppose they should be able to better estimate the times for future races a bit better now they have half a season of data.
    I tried to make it simple as possible.

    30 1.23.2 1.24.6 1.25.9 1.0 1.3 1.8
    20 1.24.2 1.25.9 1.27.7 - - -

    Row 1 is AI level row 2 is pole row 3 is p10 row 4 is last row 5 is the difference between pole on that level to pole on the level below row 6 is the difference between p 10 and the level below and row 7 is the difference between last and the level below.
  • DRudd13's avatar
    DRudd13
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    My comparisons were done in Grand Prix mode, So for them to say AI doesn't need looking into on that mode is a little odd to me.

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