How to stop 3-4 blitz/Feedback MEGATHREAD
Please fix the overpowered blitz glitch cause to me its cheating when playing online and only those that use it to win will say different so please fix it
EA_Blueberry: Edited post title to match...
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@TrumpsADump99 I'll preface this with the statement that what I'm going to say is going to be hard to swallow, then I'm going to try to help you rise above the stuff you feel is cheese...
First things first... NEVER USE THE CHEESE TERM!!! It is the language of the uneducated, and frankly it breeds laziness. Years ago, I wrote an article called "Chess or Cheese" that I believe is worth a read (https://maddenuniversity.com/communities/commentary/9-chess-or-cheese.html) - assuming you are really tired of "Cheese."
Second, what is cheesy to one is not cheesy to another. Reason being that everyone thinks that anyone taking advantage of their specific weakness is doing something cheesy. Then we blame our weaknesses on the game, as if not being able to block a blitz or stop a scrambling quarterback was EA's fault. But truthfully, if anything were EA's fault, EVERYONE would have the same exact problem. But we don't have the same weaknesses - thus - the solution lies with each individual.
Last in my list of hard to swallow pills - The solutions you seek are already in the game, and have been for years. We, as a community of players, often ignore the simplest basics of football strategy. We want to get the right person (personnel), to the right place (position), at the right time (tempo). If anyone EVER suggest that something is broken (or fixed for that matter) and they don't include a personnel, position, or tempo answer to your question - DO NOT TRUST THEM. Furthermore, if someone tells you something is unblockable, unstoppable, or otherwise outside of your strategic grasp - Don't trust them either.
That said... Let's get into something that will work against the Meta plays of the Madden NFL 20 season... 3-4 Odd Pinch Buck 0 and Cover 4 Drop Show 2:
- Singleback Ace destroys 3-4 Odd formations: (Position) In order to block someone, you must be close enough to touch them. 3-4 Odd places 7 defenders across the line of scrimamge. So does the Singleback Ace. Every blitzer is accounted for, so the simplest run play (HB Dive) will gouge the defensive alignment for big yards. A FB, TE, or any player near the wing will work as well to crush the 3-4 Odd defense (personnel and (position). It will guaranteed you can by time (tempo) to run an effective offense.
- Curl/Flat Combos from Singleback Ace: (Personnel, Position, Tempo) The curl flat offensive concept (practice in Skills Trainer) will destroy the combination of Pinch Buck and Cover 4 Drop Show 2 defenses with one read. Read either safety. If he comes down, throw to the WR (personnel) on the curl (position) on the 5th step (tempo). If he drops back, throw to the TE/FB (personnel) in the flat (position) on your 3rd step (tempo).
These are just two solutions to your problem. There are a multitue of others. If you approach each problem you experience with the three elements of football strategy, you will be able to solve virtually every football problem you will have on Madden...
Hope this helps,
Later
First things first... NEVER USE THE CHEESE TERM!!! It is the language of the uneducated, and frankly it breeds laziness. Years ago, I wrote an article called "Chess or Cheese" that I believe is worth a read (https://maddenuniversity.com/communities/commentary/9-chess-or-cheese.html) - assuming you are really tired of "Cheese."
Second, what is cheesy to one is not cheesy to another. Reason being that everyone thinks that anyone taking advantage of their specific weakness is doing something cheesy. Then we blame our weaknesses on the game, as if not being able to block a blitz or stop a scrambling quarterback was EA's fault. But truthfully, if anything were EA's fault, EVERYONE would have the same exact problem. But we don't have the same weaknesses - thus - the solution lies with each individual.
Last in my list of hard to swallow pills - The solutions you seek are already in the game, and have been for years. We, as a community of players, often ignore the simplest basics of football strategy. We want to get the right person (personnel), to the right place (position), at the right time (tempo). If anyone EVER suggest that something is broken (or fixed for that matter) and they don't include a personnel, position, or tempo answer to your question - DO NOT TRUST THEM. Furthermore, if someone tells you something is unblockable, unstoppable, or otherwise outside of your strategic grasp - Don't trust them either.
That said... Let's get into something that will work against the Meta plays of the Madden NFL 20 season... 3-4 Odd Pinch Buck 0 and Cover 4 Drop Show 2:
- Singleback Ace destroys 3-4 Odd formations: (Position) In order to block someone, you must be close enough to touch them. 3-4 Odd places 7 defenders across the line of scrimamge. So does the Singleback Ace. Every blitzer is accounted for, so the simplest run play (HB Dive) will gouge the defensive alignment for big yards. A FB, TE, or any player near the wing will work as well to crush the 3-4 Odd defense (personnel and (position). It will guaranteed you can by time (tempo) to run an effective offense.
- Curl/Flat Combos from Singleback Ace: (Personnel, Position, Tempo) The curl flat offensive concept (practice in Skills Trainer) will destroy the combination of Pinch Buck and Cover 4 Drop Show 2 defenses with one read. Read either safety. If he comes down, throw to the WR (personnel) on the curl (position) on the 5th step (tempo). If he drops back, throw to the TE/FB (personnel) in the flat (position) on your 3rd step (tempo).
These are just two solutions to your problem. There are a multitue of others. If you approach each problem you experience with the three elements of football strategy, you will be able to solve virtually every football problem you will have on Madden...
Hope this helps,
Later
Oh and your part about the whole use your football IQ to solve those problems, yeah tell that to Madden logic behind a freaking 4-4 and DB sting blitz while that would be easy to counter in the NFL, in this game even with a great o-line the blocking breaks down in 2 seconds, my recovers forget what running there routes means and my QB hits the dirt faster than this franchise (unfortunately)
Lmao thank you. Give us a way to counter it geez you put max protect a tight end an rb to block id the Mike an it still is not enough then you gotta hope your wr can can open because the man coverage might be perfect
- @TrumpsADump99 Suit yourself... I have had 0 problems with "new blitzes" because of the approach I just suggested, which I've used for more than a decade. But you do not have to use any of the advice I or anyone else gave... It's your right to remain frustrated.
@Mr_DaddyJ_93 I was watching a YouTube video titled "Unblockable Blitz" the other day with a blitz out of a Dime formation with on defensive lineman. The blitz sent 4 rushers (1 DL, 2LB at the ends, and a DB off the edge) and had cover 2 behind it. The setup was simple, spread the line, contain, and move the blitzing DB to the line jsut outside the end's shoulder. Simple enough.
Then the video started making outlandish claims like - glitchy, unblockable, you can't blocking it with slide protect, ID the Mike, or Max Protect. The video then went on to show 4 rushers destroy a shotgun formation with a back in the backfield while blocking 7.
Here's the problem... The back started on the side of the blitzing DB and blocked the blitz three times straight with one hot route. Then the guy in the video motioned the back to where he and the TE were both on the opposite side of the blitz, so that even if they both blocked, they probably weren't going to get to the DB that was generating the sacks (personnel, position, and tempo). I actually commented that it he blocked 5 guys in the parking lot, they would have the same chance of blocking that blitz...
My point is, there are a ton of videos about blitzes that use personnel, position, and tempo to prove their blitzes are "unblockable glitches" because that's how you get views and subscribers. Tell the average Madden player that a blitz can't be blocked, then show them a blitz working against a formation with no chance of picking it up and you will earn thousands of subscribers. And I'm tired of people misleading Madden players into thinking these gimmicks are glitchy or unblockable when they are NEITHER.
Back to the video. While I watched it, I thought of how I would have blocked the blitz, and it would have NEVER touched my QB.
I wrote an article called 16 Ways to Beat Blitzes (https://maddenuniversity.com/strategies/offense/25-beat-blitzes.html) years ago... It's available at my website http://www.maddenuniversity.com in the members area and it's been FREE for 16 years.
I invite you to check it out. Lots of answers to your questions all at MY EXPENSE. When people ask what's in it for me? The answer is: I play Madden for the competition and I don't want my opponents to suck.
Later Lol play mut an see if you don't have the problem don't run shotgun run anything you want I have 92 wrs not getting open even if I somehow manage to block them it works SOMETIMES it's not rocket science to block the blitz it's the fact that the game machanics to block those blitzes are not good
EA_BlueberryCommunity Manager
If you're all having some trouble with a certain blitz, be sure to mention if it's standard H2H teams or Madden Ultimate Team.
Why not compile a list of great counters to these blitzes you are all referring to? Toss in a video of the blitz in question and let's dissect it. Personally, I've seen some success with toss plays when opponents are bunching up their linebackers at the line. If you hike the ball right when the receiver is in motion by the outside TE/lineman you help gain an extra blocker when you're trying to get to the edge.Works sometimes but certain blitzes get through right after you hand the ball off
- @Mr_DaddyJ_93 MUT wasn't made for me. No interest. But I'm assuming X's and O's still work in MUT.
Lol bro when the xs don't understand that their xs an they dumb out it doesn't work
- @Mr_DaddyJ_93 In my experience, good football always works, but people want to use bad football and hope the programming bails them out. I might use slide protect, ID the Mike, max protect once every 10-15 games, because I haven't needed any of it. Formation does most of the protection work for me.
Later Dude your not getting what I am saying to you doesn't matter the formation how is using good football mechanics bad football? I use a crap load of formations it DOES NOT WORK. If your not playing mut you won't get it
Exactly, it doesn't matter if it's just an exhibition online play now, certain formations glitch the game out, it's not a matter of player skill or IQ it's the fact whoever coded this game should be fired beyond belief, I mean kids spamming quarter end up in my backfield because my blockers cant see LT running up to my QB but yeah it's all just player skill 😒
- @TrumpsADump99 When I refer to "player skill" it doesn't mean one player's skill is high, it usually means the other player's skill is low. The reason blitzes become "Meta" is because the average Madden player is strategically ill equipped to handle a good blitz.
@Mr_DaddyJ_93 If you're blaming your inability to block a blitz on playing MUT, why are you still playing MUT? Seems silly to me that despite using the best football tactics, you still can't succeed against the tactics you're referring to...
I'll make the same deal with both of you that I make with everyone else. If you don't believe I know what I'm talking about, TRY ME!!! Link to a video, I'll tell you what I'd do to block it. The caveat being - I never use Shotgun, so don't expect any Shotgun answers.
Please make it a good one. I'll wait.
Later - Because I enjoy the game mode I've been playing it since it's come out. it just kills it when that's all people run I'm not gonna send you videos etc that would take to much time an there's alot of different ones. go online an play mut an you'll see your self 8/10 players will use blitzes. Anyways you can't help your not a Dev anyway as I've said I can block the blitzes sometimes but I can't stop my line from dumbing out and not blocking the guy in front of them that's the issue here you act like everyone just runs shotgun all day I run all different formations sometimes it just doesn't work.
You've made my day man I haven't heard so much * spew out of ones mouth quicker than yours, You just don't get what were trying to say I've been playing Madden since the SNES and while each game had a certain play or two this is just ridiculous with these cheese plays today I can handle blitzes I can handle man and zone but I can't handle it when my OFFENSIVE LINE DECIDES NOT TO BLOCK LT COMING OFF THE EDGE FOR A SACK, maybe in caps you might get it. Oh and get off that high horse of yours please.
And we shouldn't have to run certain plays because Madden players today use cheese, those plays should either be removed from the game or the player using them should be penalized (if you need every single cheese play I will gladly list them all) and now with these screen plays Madden's becoming a * show of cheese.
- @Mr_DaddyJ_93 First, I didn't expect you to send any videos.
Second, I'm never playing MUT. I literally have ZERO interest in the mode as a whole and wish they would stop making it because it takes away from the only modes I actually will play.
Third, just because I'm not a dev doesn't mean I can't help. Just this year, one of the videos I posted was addressed in a patch. I've also been to Orlando twice in the past to meet with devs on Community Day to talk about issues with the games. The change I'm most proud of is DB's catching passes near the sideline even if they are going to land out of bounds and defensive players being awarded possession in the air on an interception. I brought them both up to devs and they tole me they wouldn't be able to get it in in that years's version. They changed it - it just took another year.
In conclusion... Post some links to videos. I'm still waiting.
Later Having trouble seeing sport? I never said I would uploaded videos if your that intent on seeing me check out my PH page, I said I would list certain plays that cause a glitchy sack or broken routes or coverage. But its typical EA attitude and response.
What gets me though is when certain routes (shotgun 3 wide 1 RB and 1 TE I believe) when the QB motions the RB far right and gives him a streak route somehow the safety doesn't pick him up even though the safety will trail him but just stop covering Half way through the route. That's just a minor cheese play though as if I use my safety (which I hate doing) I can prevent the RB from getting wide open but that leaves more open space. So while you can user to stop most cheese plays the AI just doesn't want to cover for you very well (I've seen my Jamal Adams just standing in the middle of the field while hill just fly's past)
- @TrumpsADump99 No need to upload one of your own... Just link to something that's already out there.
Bro you gotta play to understand you can see the vid or hear the play an your gonna say all this nonsense that has been tried. But until you play an have a lb or dt or cb or saftey come through EVERY PLAY no matter the formation or block scheme you will not get it. unless you can program the blockers to actually block or as the other gentlemen here mentioned make your dbs cover properly an not just stand there YOU cannot help.
- @Mr_DaddyJ_93 We'll never know til you post something and see if I know what I'm talking about... If you're right, you're still in the same position. But if I'm right, you will have the answer to how to block the blitzes that give you trouble.
Why all the stalling?
Later Lmao yeah I'm stalling a random unhelpful dude on the internet. Just play the game geez I'm not posting nothing buddy not one damn thing dude right here says the same thing an many other people too soooo..... We're all just dumb liars?
- @Mr_DaddyJ_93 Nobody said you're a dumb liar (well, besides you)... I said I can help you, but you wont give me the chance. And frankly, there are a few things I can glean from this interaction:
1) This "random dude" on the internet just happens to own the longest continuously running website on earth designed to help Madden players (16 years and still going) outside of EA's.
2) We could have already helped several people reading this discussion by now
3) No one should have to beg to help someone handle what they complained about not being able to handle on their own
4) Some people would rather complain because they would rather have their pride intact than the solution to their problem
That said... I'll withdraw my challenge for you. Continue doing whatever it is you've been doing. I wish you the best of luck.
But for anyone else that wants to know if I know what I'm talking about... link to a video of a "cheesy" blitz and I'll tell you how to block it.
Later I got on here to let the devs know the blocking needs to be fixed I didn't ask for your help. You think your doing something special? Unless you know some secret mechanic I don't then you have no good advice so far from YOUR interaction you have not played mut therefore do not come across the problems I and everyone else who plays mut do so thanks go about your day buddy enjoy your website
- @Mr_DaddyJ_93 Please tell me you didn't just say "Unless you know some secret mechanic." LOL... You should get into standup... If you're ever in LA, hit me up. I know someone that owns a club you can perform in.
In any case... We need not interact again. Enjoy your Maddening experience.
Later
P.S. I'm serious about that standup club.
