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I Like Sloane
There, I said it.
I know you(Bioware) want me to pick Reyes, and made her one of the few killable characters in the game, but she's straight with me and the world, has a beautifully complicated ba...
Sloane great pick
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@Kondaru wrote:
Errol Flynn for comparing to Reyes - Kevin Costner was too serious and not "enjoying" his role so much. ;-)
There are many datapad and terminal messages that are leftovers from Outcasts even after Collective takes over the port, so perhaps that is one of them. I am not sure which one You are mentioning exactly but since Collective is not truly working as militia after High Noon it doesn't make much sense to be related to them
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All the same, I do understand that Reyes in not an angel, and that Collective is not made of honorable citizens. I definitely understand that Reyes can be perceived as snake in the grass - though I still find him preferable to Sloane. You know, as soon as I know that there is snake in the grass, and as soon as I *see* the snake, I really do prefer it over agitated bull charging on me time after time. Especially if I can use snake's venom to prepare some medicines... ;-)
Yes, I do believe that Reyes really mocks Sloane because of some personal issue. Perhaps it is out of malice; but perhaps he has some kind of compulsion to humiliate own foes (not unlike many famous vigilante - like Zorro, some Marvel/DC superheros, etc.). As already stated: I find it repelling, and I really do not like the moment. Sloane is dead, the deed is done, mission accomplished - no need to mock the dead. But I still believe that Sloane deserves it all, and in some way it displays just how misguided and ineffective she was.
True, Sloane never actually lies to Ryder, and I do not think that I ever suggested she did. At the same time she seems delusional to me by declaring how much she wishes for the new beginning, for better society, and for justice-for-all; but at the same time encourages bullying and beating, profits from drugs, and arbitrarily sentences people to death. And please note: I am not telling that she is insincere - I do believe that she really hopes for Brave New World. The thing is that Sloane is the worst enemy of her own ideals and goals. :-(
As for Reyes "flamboyant" behavior... Well... I somehow agree... But You know... Leia was hardly attracted to Han Solo at first. Perhaps it is the same thing with Reyes: he just grows on You with time... ;-)
Maybe like a fungus. 🙂
There's a datapad on a table in Sloane's old digs talking about Kaetus and the puppet Angara talks about him as well. He's not going anywhere. Sure, you can say he's not being mistreated where I can see but the guy got curb stomped for being Sloane's boyfriend once already - even the lady in "charge" thinks he should be let go but Reyes isn't going to do that. There may be more stuff in the port - I didn't really poke around much in the Reyes as boss branch.
He goes *classic* villain. Threaten/hurt loved ones to draw out the other side, big showdown complete with self-aggrandizing speech, and dirty trick FTW. He's used you, unwittingly, no less than 5 times. The "he can change" rings a little hollow, even his ex warns you. His "but baby I loves you, I want to be good" just seems like another 'I can change him' fallacy to me. I guess it really boils down to that if I'm going to play a role in the classic villain's plan I want to be something other than the dupe or complacent.
I don't think he's satisfied with where he's at either. He wants to be a bigger fish in a bigger pond and I don't see him not just abandoning his MO to do that again. Sloane doesn't strike me as that direct of a threat - I don't see her gunning for trying to run a bigger piece of the show. I don't particularly trust Sloane either... but neither do I trust Morda. I wouldn't swap her out for the guy who lost the slap fight though, if given the chance, for exactly the same reasons I choose Sloane over Reyes. None of them are solid allies. All of them are going to be issues again.
"....I don't think he's satisfied with where he's at either. He wants to be a bigger fish in a bigger pond and I don't see him not just abandoning his MO to do that again...."
Maybe, but his reasons for wanting to be that fish seem different in a more positive manner than Sloane's and the fact that he is comfortable with not having a throne and not feeling a need to prove his power and not needing for people to know who he is, suggests he is quite satisfied.
The thing about a Sloane type personality is that they typically do not see themselves as having allies nor do they feel a need to submit to another's authority. So she may not want a bigger pie so to speak but with the Badlands now being (EDIT: habitable), she may feel it is her right to control all of Kadara. In fact, that fits her personality, but Reyes seems like someone who understands the need for balance as well as allies.
He's greedy sure and he will lie and use you but only to a certain extent. Like I said, to him, I think he saw Sloane as dishonorable and not civil so he dealt with her as such but observing how he wanted us to solve murders which really didn't benefit him and yet she didn't care... how she completely wrote off the Badlands while he seemed to look after them.... how he showed some respect to his ex even though she tried to kill him (nicer than me on that front lol) and just other things, I don't think he is as likely to turn on us as Sloane is.
I think what I'm trying to say is, between the two of them, Sloane appears to have a greater disregard towards others than Reyes does. They are both criminals, but not all criminals are equal that is for sure and Sloane just doesn't seem to care in the grand scheme of things while Reyes appears to and doesn't seek credit for it either.
My opinion.
@PretzleMe wrote:
"....I don't think he's satisfied with where he's at either. He wants to be a bigger fish in a bigger pond and I don't see him not just abandoning his MO to do that again...."
Maybe, but his reasons for wanting to be that fish seem different in a more positive manner than Sloane's and the fact that he is comfortable with not having a throne and not feeling a need to prove his power and not needing for people to know who he is, suggests he is quite satisfied.
The thing about a Sloane type personality is that they typically do not see themselves as having allies nor do they feel a need to submit to another's authority. So she may not want a bigger pie so to speak but with the Badlands now being (EDIT: habitable), she may feel it is her right to control all of Kadara. In fact, that fits her personality, but Reyes seems like someone who understands the need for balance as well as allies.
He's greedy sure and he will lie and use you but only to a certain extent. Like I said, to him, I think he saw Sloane as dishonorable and not civil so he dealt with her as such but observing how he wanted us to solve murders which really didn't benefit him and yet she didn't care... how she completely wrote off the Badlands while he seemed to look after them.... how he showed some respect to his ex even though she tried to kill him (nicer than me on that front lol) and just other things, I don't think he is as likely to turn on us as Sloane is.
I think what I'm trying to say is, between the two of them, Sloane appears to have a greater disregard towards others than Reyes does. They are both criminals, but not all criminals are equal that is for sure and Sloane just doesn't seem to care in the grand scheme of things while Reyes appears to and doesn't seek credit for it either.
My opinion.
I am feeling we are either going to face Reyes or Kaetus as antagonist again at some point. Just like I'm pretty sure we haven't heard the last of Spencer. I guess I'll see how noble his intentions truly were/are when he reappears. I ended up not shooting him in the back on reload, since I couldn't actually kill him, so if he wants to play nice in the future the option is there. 🙂
"....I am feeling we are either going to face Reyes or Kaetus as antagonist again at some point..."
I am definitely not saying you're wrong or that this prediction doesn't make sense. It makes plenty of sense. I just don't agree, lol.
I think Reyes was kind of meant to be like a Robin Hoodish type character. That's just the impression I got and Robin don't betray his allies/friends, lol.
But here's a question for you, would you be disappointed if we didn't end up facing either of those guys?
Personally, if Reyes betrayed us, my character would be disappointed, but I wouldn't. Because I do think there's enough logic to support him turning on us. I wouldn't feel like it was forced.
But what about you? If Reyes turned out to be a stand up guy, would you be upset? Would you feel like it was forced?
And warning, even if you say "yes" I'm not going to challenge that opinion. I think I've said everything I could regarding my stance on Reyes and Sloane so I am just asking out of curiosity.
@PretzleMe wrote:
"....I am feeling we are either going to face Reyes or Kaetus as antagonist again at some point..."
I am definitely not saying you're wrong or that this prediction doesn't make sense. It makes plenty of sense. I just don't agree, lol.
I think Reyes was kind of meant to be like a Robin Hoodish type character. That's just the impression I got and Robin don't betray his allies/friends, lol.
But here's a question for you, would you be disappointed if we didn't end up facing either of those guys?
Personally, if Reyes betrayed us, my character would be disappointed, but I wouldn't. Because I do think there's enough logic to support him turning on us. I wouldn't feel like it was forced.
But what about you? If Reyes turned out to be a stand up guy, would you be upset? Would you feel like it was forced?
And warning, even if you say "yes" I'm not going to challenge that opinion. I think I've said everything I could regarding my stance on Reyes and Sloane so I am just asking out of curiosity.
That depends - will he give the cheesy lines a rest?🙂
I'll even give Reyes a break - I think he's supposed to be some strange hybrid of WWII French Resistance/ Han Solo/ Robin Hood. I will be genuinely surprised if he does not try to step on our heads on the way to "some higher purpose" at some point... I just suspect that the purpose is "to be somebody". I wouldn't be upset if he flipped and became a standup guy, but it would look out of character to me.
And if you want, challenge away. If you don't somebody else will.
"....And if you want, challenge away. If you don't somebody else will...."
I'm not saying I always succeed at this nor am I saying that I think it is wrong to do, but personally I try to avoid challenging how someone feels. So if you would feel disappointed if he turned out not to stab us in the back because you would feel like it was forced, I already addressed why I don't think it would be so I can't see challenging beyond that.
Feelings are feelings. They're not necessarily right all the time.... like when I felt like I should be able to form a harem in the Andromeda galaxy and have them all feed me grapes... er... protein rations I guess. Sure I felt disappointed, but I knew that didn't make me in the right.
But kidding aside, if you feel like it would be out of character for him to not try to betray us in a major way, I get it. You already know my view. That neither Han nor Robin would screw us over.
@PretzleMe wrote:
They're not necessarily right all the time.... like when I felt like I should be able to form a harem in the Andromeda galaxy and have them all feed me grapes... er... protein rations I guess.
You have to be careful with that sort of thing. Before you know it, it's 10 years later and your long lost son comes around with daddy issues wanting to kill you.
It's not pretty.
@EgoMania wrote:
@PretzleMe wrote:
They're not necessarily right all the time.... like when I felt like I should be able to form a harem in the Andromeda galaxy and have them all feed me grapes... er... protein rations I guess.
You have to be careful with that sort of thing. Before you know it, it's 10 years later and your long lost son comes around with daddy issues wanting to kill you.
It's not pretty.
and all that laying around and eating makes you fat and useless, easy pickings for a deranged son with abandonment issues.
will reyes turn on ryder? well, most of my PCs were pretty decent to him, and he owes them at least 3 big favors each, i'd have to say... it would be logical, and would make perfect sense for him to turn on ryder, however i don't feel it. so, i guess that's a no, i don't think he'll stab a "nice" ryder in the back.
Oh yes, two reasons more "for Reyes":
- I know his secret. It's not a "big thing" but something he don't want that to many people know. In german you say "in der Hand haben". You have him "in your hand", ok just a bit.
- I liked A LOT that he gave money to the doctors hospital (without saying that is the collectiv), when Sloane was alive. This was really nice, even if he have done it for selfish reasons.
😃
@PretzleMe wrote:
Personally, if Reyes betrayed us, my character would be disappointed, but I wouldn't. Because I do think there's enough logic to support him turning on us. I wouldn't feel like it was forced.
But what about you? If Reyes turned out to be a stand up guy, would you be upset? Would you feel like it was forced?
I happen to think Sloane has some redeeming qualities and Reyes is probably going to screw me (Metaphorically not Physically) eventually, but I could accept it if the game kept him from turning out to be a bad guy.
Sadly, whether or not Sloane has the kind of warrior's honor that would make her look me in the eye when she kills me, I do have it. So until they modify High Noon so that stopping the sniper doesn't automatically make Reyes lose, Sloane is staying in the big chair.
I'd think that a workable tweak would be something like this: If you don't stop the sniper Sloane dies like normal. If you do stop the sniper but don't shoot Reyes his guys show up and force you and Sloane to flee in a hail of gunfire, hopefully including the Tempest pulling a high speed pickup of you in the Nomad, and Reyes takes over. If you do stop the sniper and do shoot Reyes he runs off like normal and Sloane stays in control
A more adventurous version of the tweak would include the following option: If you completed Liam's Loyalty Mission before this you can optionally bring him along. If you do he and Cora show up with you. Liam takes out the sniper and you have Cora Biotically incapacitate Reyes and Sloane, and you decide the fate of Kedara.
1&2)You can put Reyes or Sloane in charge with the loser stripped of their gear, personal electronics included, and dumped on Elaaden with a gun.
3) You can send them both to Elaaden, give Liam their gear, tell him he is exiled for one too many shenanigans, and suggest that Kedara is the perfect place to follow his impulses, especially if he is in charge. If you have completed Charlatan's Charlatan SAM will have enough to use Reyes' gear to take control of most of the Collective, and Sloane's gear may give Liam the ability to take over at least part of the Outcasts.
4) You allow the dual to occur without outside influence. The outcome may potentally be determined by your interactions/standing with both sides. Reyes always survives and wins or escapes. Possibly the same for Sloane.
5) You kill Sloane and Kill/wound Reyes, and have the militia try to occupy Kedara
For any of the options you have the opportunity to exile Liam, and Cora will provide chapter and verse from the rules to justify it
I would have killed them both and taken over Kadara.
taking over may not have worked as the pathfinder your extremely busy unless you expect incomptents are us aka the nexus to run a port where everyone hates them :D
you will notice a lot of this exiles tolerate you while planning to blow up your outposts while your not looking Edora [did i spell that right] for example on kadara was planning to blow up your outpost
