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I Like Sloane
There, I said it.
I know you(Bioware) want me to pick Reyes, and made her one of the few killable characters in the game, but she's straight with me and the world, has a beautifully complicated ba...
Sloane great pick
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BlackAlpha66 wrote:
You got something factually wrong again: Sloane has lied to you, she does manipulate, and she has used you as a pawn. I can't be bothered to go into it because I don't feel like it will make a difference with you. Clearly, you do not look at them critically, so what's the point in discussing this further. Additionally, you just speculate a lot and it seems now I stepped on your toes when I tried to point that out.
So, I'll just say one final thing. Unlike you, I do not paint a rosy picture of either of them. Earlier, I simply told you how they compare and I pointed out fallacies in your logic (you keep insisting Sloane is better, doesn't manipulate, doesn't torture, etc, which is all false). But looking at it realistically, personally, I would've liked it if in that cave there would've been a Renegade option to shoot them both. Seeing as how that option wasn't there, we are forced to choose the lesser of the two evils, and if you count the amount of bad things they've done, Sloane comes on top - the fact she regularly tortures civilians is the biggest black mark that makes the largest difference, in my opinion.
I did not that I have been away from Kedara, so if you have specific examples of Sloane lying to me, manipulating me, or using me as a pawn that I may have forgotten please elaborate them.
I will grant that it is unlikely that I will jump on the Reyes bandwagon no matter what you say, but it is a possibility worth pursuing, especially as we can have some fun debating along the way. A simple facet of life is that facts don't limit themselves to one conclusion, or OJ Simpson would have fried. Analyzing a set of is like building Legos or cooking on Masterchef, you take what you're given, add what you already have, and make something that is probably quite different from what your neighbor makes. In the absence of the full set of facts, differing conclusions based on the facts available are equally valid, although it is the heart of a good debate to challenge these conclusions point by point and look for factual errors. If your analysis is good this process will allow you to find flaws in your arguments, so you can change your arguments and correct the flaws, so if your view is worth holding a challenge will only strengthen it.
As a side note, if, on the off chance, people not acknowledging your views as the unquestionable truth is upsetting to you, it is better to work it out here over made-up people and situations than in the real world where someone could be hurt. I won't get upset if you get mad at me, although I will continue to challenge your conclusions.
Anyway, I do speculate a lot, for 2 reasons.
1) It's fun! "Nuff said.
2) There are so few situations where we have the full facts, so we take the pieces we have and fill in the gaps, EG speculation. This is especially true since a lot of the argument concerns who is better for the future, which we definitively don't know. But let's face it, charming rogues are nice, but the sarcastic grouch who is begrudgingly forced to work with you that provides the real emotional payout.
Anyway, if you want a successful refutation of my argument you will need to use specific examples of where I was wrong and/or lay out your argument so it can't be used against you. For instance, the way you laid out your torture argument I was easily able to reverse it and make Reyes come out to be the bad guy. Comparatively, when we were arguing about torture @Kondaru busted me and I had to change my argument, although neither of you have addressed my argument of police brutality/excessive force vs pre-planned/all-out torture.
Here's the thing. I don't like Sloan. More importantly my Scott Ryder doesn't like her either since I picked certain responses that lead to her acting like a crazed lunatic. ( I will note here that when I start my run through with Sara Ryder I'll be choosing the opposite responses and will like Sloan just fine... probably, heh.)
Sloan betrayed the very people she was supposed to protect - the Initiative leadership - deciding violence was a nifty way to get things done. Then sets herself up as a queen on Kadara. Hey she kicked the Kett out so why not? She treats her inner circle well but her kingdom is left to fend for itself for the most part. She gives lip service to the angara and treats them as second class citizens. And she's more than willing to go to war to keep her Kingdom, with the Collective, with the Initiative, with everyone if necessary. My Scott finds her abrasive, self serving, vicious and short sighted.
Reyes is having to survive in the same environment. He's smart about it, keeping out of sight since the second Sloan finds out about him she'd have him killed. What my Scott finds interesting is that it seems the Charlatan is doing some things that aid the disenfranchised. Helping out a doctor in the slums with supplies. Directing the Pathfinder to a group of nasty Roekar who are killing everyone that isn't Roekar. Including the angara that are on Kadara into his group if they are interested. His sneaky mode of operation is to gather allies and most importantly to my Scott atm is that Reyes understands that war would mean extinction for the Milky Way galaxy people - definitely the humans. Killing off too many to sustain a viable population in Andromeda.
What I find compelling is that we are given a choice between two strong characters who are anti-heros. There is no right answer here. Both of them realize that in order to survive they will have to work with the Initiative. What it boils down to for me is which one my Scott thinks he can work with and get to do things that benefit the plans of the Pathfinder.
Since my current Scott is gay and finds the roguish Reyes appealing that's who I'm going with.
Can't wait to see what happens when my Sara gets to Kadara and works with Sloan. So, kudo's to Bioware for giving me the opportunity to play a totally different game my next run through.
i also think just about any ryder would have a vastly easier time dealing with reyes over sloane, because sloane seems far to impulsive, angry, violent, and oppressive, and a bit of a totalitarian dictator. you ever hear that saying: only a poor leader is forced to resort to fear and violence to maintain control? true reyes is a bit smarter, and is capable of operating with a good amount of discretion, though he doesn't seem unhinged like sloane (or at least she seems so to me). i'd rather have a sane snake then a raging sociopath at my back... and no, i'm not saying reyes is a snake at all.
@CasperTheLich wrote:i also think just about any ryder would have a vastly easier time dealing with reyes over sloane, because sloane seems far to impulsive, angry, violent, and oppressive, and a bit of a totalitarian dictator. you ever hear that saying: only a poor leader is forced to resort to fear and violence to maintain control? true reyes is a bit smarter, and is capable of operating with a good amount of discretion, though he doesn't seem unhinged like sloane (or at least she seems so to me). i'd rather have a sane snake then a raging sociopath at my back... and no, i'm not saying reyes is a snake at all.
You're not a little bit jealous that Sloane gets to be a renegade Shep are you? 😃😇👿
@jpcerutti1 wrote:You're not a little bit jealous that Sloane gets to be a renegade Shep are you? 😃😇👿
lol, perhaps a bit. but, in ryder's place would you willingly work with a renegade shepard? i think i'd rather run and hide.
@CasperTheLich wrote:
@jpcerutti1 wrote:You're not a little bit jealous that Sloane gets to be a renegade Shep are you? 😃😇👿
lol, perhaps a bit. but, in ryder's place would you willingly work with a renegade shepard? i think i'd rather run and hide.
I work with Peebee don't I? I don't remember renegade Shep landing me by surprise in a volcano... and renegade Shep cutscenes *rock*.🙂
@jpcerutti1 wrote:... and renegade Shep cutscenes *rock*.🙂
just so long as we don't end up on the receiving end of those cut-scenes.
@CasperTheLich wrote:
@jpcerutti1 wrote:... and renegade Shep cutscenes *rock*.🙂
just so long as we don't end up on the receiving end of those cut-scenes.
If Renegade Shep didn't destroy me for putting a gun in her face I think my odds of survival are pretty good! 😉👿
@Fierene wrote:My Scott finds her abrasive, self servicing, viscous and short sighted.
Self servicing and viscous huh. I guess it's lonely at the top and has been for a while then. 💔
@fudgietroll wrote:If Renegade Shep didn't destroy me for putting a gun in her face I think my odds of survival are pretty good! 😉👿
i'd say the odds of ren-shep ventilating your face in such a situation is about 80% or there abouts. those are odds i don't feel all that confident with facing.
@CasperTheLich wrote:
@fudgietroll wrote:If Renegade Shep didn't destroy me for putting a gun in her face I think my odds of survival are pretty good! 😉👿
i'd say the odds of ren-shep ventilating your face in such a situation is about 80% or there abouts. those are odds i don't feel all that confident with facing.
How about your future odds if you don't get ventilated? As I choose the oddest times to be an optimist I tend to assume if Ren-Shep doesn't kill me for my impudence it means we are friends now. And let's face it, Ren-Shep does some scary stuff, but you're pretty safe if you're a friend.😇👍
@fudgietroll wrote:
@Fierene wrote:My Scott finds her abrasive, self servicing, viscous and short sighted.
Self servicing and viscous huh. I guess it's lonely at the top and has been for a while then.
Ahahahaaha! Er... would you believe I meant "Self serving" and "Vicious" before I let spell checker talk me into that?
@Fierene wrote:
@fudgietroll wrote:
@Fierene wrote:My Scott finds her abrasive, self servicing, viscous and short sighted.
Self servicing and viscous huh. I guess it's lonely at the top and has been for a while then.
Ahahahaaha! Er... would you believe I meant "Self serving" and "Vicious" before I let spell checker talk me into that?
Spell check has a dirty mind!💔👿
@fudgietroll wrote:
@CasperTheLich wrote:
@fudgietroll wrote:If Renegade Shep didn't destroy me for putting a gun in her face I think my odds of survival are pretty good! 😉👿
i'd say the odds of ren-shep ventilating your face in such a situation is about 80% or there abouts. those are odds i don't feel all that confident with facing.
How about your future odds if you don't get ventilated? As I choose the oddest times to be an optimist I tend to assume if Ren-Shep doesn't kill me for my impudence it means we are friends now. And let's face it, Ren-Shep does some scary stuff, but you're pretty safe if you're a friend.😇👍
Drunk Tali told me Sloane liiiiiiiikes me.🙂
@jpcerutti1 wrote:
@fudgietroll wrote:
@CasperTheLich wrote:
@fudgietroll wrote:If Renegade Shep didn't destroy me for putting a gun in her face I think my odds of survival are pretty good! 😉👿
i'd say the odds of ren-shep ventilating your face in such a situation is about 80% or there abouts. those are odds i don't feel all that confident with facing.
How about your future odds if you don't get ventilated? As I choose the oddest times to be an optimist I tend to assume if Ren-Shep doesn't kill me for my impudence it means we are friends now. And let's face it, Ren-Shep does some scary stuff, but you're pretty safe if you're a friend.😇👍
Drunk Tali told me Sloane liiiiiiiikes me.🙂
So true! Hey, if you can date Reyes you might as well date Sloane!❤️:eahigh_file:
Or you could date both, behind their backs. Very wise.
@PandaTar wrote:Or you could date both, behind their backs. Very wise.
This could make that final confrontation a little awkward.....💔
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