Liam..
The poor guy, so many seem to not like him. So what I want to know is who out there does like him and what you like about him.. Haters can stay away please! Just Liam positive here. One thread in wh...
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That and he has a body that makes you scream when he's naked..
I think alot of the hate generated in games is pseudo hate, it's pass along hate.. some video wiz says he hates this aspect of this character and everyone jumps on that bandwagon and claims the same thing.
Yeh when Liam says his memorable line, it made me burst out laughing and surely that's the aim of that line. So how can anyone hate it? Doesn't make sence. Unless they're hating it, because someone else hates it, just because.
There's actually alot of the stories that make me tearful or laugh, some really strikes a nerve, other's like alot of what Draak talks about, with parenthood etc I can draw from and identify with.
@rugster wrote:Yeh when Liam says his memorable line, it made me burst out laughing and surely that's the aim of that line. So how can anyone hate it? Doesn't make sence.
??What memorable line??? I honestly don't remember any real good laughing lines from him. Drack, Vetra and even Cora I could fairly easily relate too and understand their character.....Liam, sorry can't. The thing about Liam that really irks me is he was in crisis response, that is the one place that cool heads and solid rational decisions HAVE to be made 100% of the time or people die. Yet time and time again, Liam doesn't live up to his backstory, he is emotional in decision making, he isn't to my mind rational in those decisions and not very cool or collected under stress. To me his backstory doesn't fit him AT ALL, and that annoys the dog poo out of me when it comes to characters. The other thing that really irks me about his character is after every bad decision, Ryder basically goes....UHH, ok, whatever...you can't really tell him off, you can't correct him for going AROUND YOU...not so much around higher ups, but AROUND YOU!!! He is pulling BS behind YOUR back and then you have to deal with the fallout or * from it, and you can't do a dang thing about it to him.
Things I like about him.....
1) He doesn't shoot me in the back during a mission......
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When I find more I will post them.....😎
I think what a lot fail to realize is the fact that the Pathfinder team arent actually under the Pathfinders orders per say. Its not an alliance military team its a civilian one. They are expected to assist the Pathfinder when asked but outside of that, they have their own asigned tasks to perform without having to run and ask permission to do it. They are supposed to just do it and then request back-up from the other team members when its needed.
Its a big difference to an alliance military ship and crew like the Normandy was. Even a big difference to the SR2 when all crew where specifically told to follow Shepards orders.
Each member of the Pathfinding team had a set job already assigned to them to just do when not required by the Pathfinder his/herself and there is the difference. Sara didn't have to contact her Dad to ask permission to scout once they landed on the planet she was just expected to do her job.
Believe it or not, Liam was just doing his job, forging relationships with species and between colonies and used his own judgment on how best to achieve that. He also wasn't wrong, his instincts about those people were correct. The pirates timing was just bad luck, one didn't have anything to do with the other he just thought it was possible, so went to his team for backup feeling it was needed at that point in time. In doing so he further cemented those alliances as well.
@Nykara360 wrote:Believe it or not, Liam was just doing his job, forging relationships with species and between colonies and used his own judgment on how best to achieve that. He also wasn't wrong, his instincts about those people were correct. The pirates timing was just bad luck, one didn't have anything to do with the other he just thought it was possible, so went to his team for backup feeling it was needed at that point in time. In doing so he further cemented those alliances as well.
I didn't know that this was Liam's job. I got the impression he was supposed to handle security, while Cora was XO, Vetra was supplies, etc. Did it say anywhere that Liam was the diplomat?
I do like Liam. He's a friendly, gung-ho guy. I even appreciate his initiative and found his loyalty mission to be one of the most entertaining bits of the game.
That being said, I don't feel like he fits with the Nexus leadership's Initiative. In many ways I think that Liam would be a better fit doing his thing at Prodromos or Kedara, possibly Elaaden. Certainly I wouldn't be too upset if things went that way, and I suspect that he and most of the crew would feel the same way. If Jaal gets upset I'm sure Peebee would be more than happy to spend some time with him and cheer him up.
Actually, they are.
@Nykara360 wrote:
I think what a lot fail to realize is the fact that the Pathfinder team arent actually under the Pathfinders orders per say.
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That is made pretty clear by Cora as (Surprise) Lima says that the Team "calls the shots" and she responded "Actually the Pathfinder calls the shots, just to be clear."
There are also other occasions were it is made clear that the Pathfinder de facto is the commanding officer of the Pathfinder-team and while the AI is in fact civilian, there is also a clear chain of command inside a civilian organisation, it has to be, especially considering the situation they are in.
All my problems with Liam are already summarized by @mcsupersport so I leave it there to just say that I also miss the opportunity tell him what I really think about his actions.
That is in fact one of my greatest points of criticism at MEA, that I often can't react the way I want to react when it comes to crewmembers. Same with Drack later on as I saved the Salarian Pathfinder.
I have one HUGE like, bordering love, when it comes to Liam:
When he is getting pummeled by Kett or pretty much anyone else that wants to kill him, while I stand by the Nomad and just watch. Ahhhh... that bubbles up a wellspring of joy in my heart.
@Nykara360 wrote:I think what a lot fail to realize is the fact that the Pathfinder team arent actually under the Pathfinders orders per say. Its not an alliance military team its a civilian one.
I'm pretty sure just like real life, this isn't valid. A captain of a ship is still the captain, and they give the orders - just because civvy's volunteered doesn't change that - even on luxury cruises irl, if the Captain wants everybody in their cabins... well guess what... you're going to the cabin or you're getting arrested. If you go on fishing boat, guess who's in charge? Certainly not you because you're not military.
I did service for 2 years in my nation's navy, and we had civilians aboard one of our battleships for a tour and it was made very clear they were to obey the Captain, and were given rules like not to photograph our tech.
Sorry to take your thread off topic again, I just thought that was a false statement to justify Liam going over pathfinder's head when he should have never done so... and don't even get me started on his savage behavior on Habitat 7 - even if we saved people in the end - his actions put people in danger or were poor representations of humanity as a whole. Anyway, I'm not trying to bash - just sorting out an inconsistency with what you believe and what would be reality.Well, the Tempest is not a military ship as far as I know. The lack of weaponry has been a point discussion here as well before.
However, even on civilian ships the captain has authority and from a team point of view Ryder is in charge no matter how you twist or turn it. So for him to go off and do something like he did, was not ok.
To each their own though. I think Cora annoys me more than any of the companions, but the main difference is that there is at least an emotion that's triggered. Liam's about as non-offensive as it gets, except that he doesn't like clothes that much and he gets himself in trouble because he bites off more than he can chew. I say that as an observation rather than a judgment and since it doesn't get the main mission in trouble it's of no consequence for me as I can just leave him on the ship except for his companion mission.
So if people like him that's cool, but I suppose I just don't really get what his redeeming qualities are.
