Pathfinder(s) and Remnant Tech
Am I the only pathfinder who can work remnant tech of can all the SAM's do that? Why aren't they out there helping me restart vaults as I add/rescue them? I know there's only one Tempest, but couldn'...
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i could be mistaken, however i recall that alec, sara, and scott have specialized pathfinder implants, different from what the rest of the team uses. though, on second thought that might have been someone's head canon, maybe even mine. so IDK for sure.
From my point of view, SAM adds calculation power that your normal human brain cannot just do. It's like an expansion on your mental prowess.
Now, there are a couple of elements that are significant to me:
- Alec Ryder managed to make contact in the first mission using SAM. So the first tower reset was done by Alec and not your Ryder.
- Your own Ryder doesn't actually do it without SAM until after having some experience working remtech with SAM.
- The Archon uses your twin to get access via SAM to Meridian but purely as a conduit.
There are many ways to interpret these elements when you put them together, but if your Ryder is what makes it possible, then the Archon wouldn't be able to gain access via your twin. If SAM is what makes it possible, then how can your Ryder do it without SAM?
The only answer there is that your Ryder's brain is learning along with the experience (symbiotic relationship), but that means you can learn it and SAM just makes it faster or opens the door for your brain to get it. That makes SAM no more special than other SAMs in my view since the symbiotic relationship is true of all SAMs.
I can't say that there isn't some other mystical explanation that could be made, but along the principle of Ockham's razor I would think it is the most reasonable explanation that intelligent creatures can learn it as long as they are intelligent enough. A standard human won't do but enhanced by AI the learning is facilitated and the brain adapts opening up to new ways of thinking by the grace of the symbiotic relationship with SAM.
Hope that makes sense.
@EgoMania wrote:
I can't say that there isn't some other mystical explanation that could be made, but along the principle of Ockham's razor I would think it is the most reasonable explanation that intelligent creatures can learn it as long as they are intelligent enough. A standard human won't do but enhanced by AI the learning is facilitated and the brain adapts opening up to new ways of thinking by the grace of the symbiotic relationship with SAM.
The Havarl Angara have learned the very basics (open doors and such) but it takes them years to do that, and not everyone can at all. Doesn't necessarily transfer to "all humans" as supposedly the Angara were "designed" to use the remnant.
@Vellu78 wrote:
@EgoMania wrote:
I can't say that there isn't some other mystical explanation that could be made, but along the principle of Ockham's razor I would think it is the most reasonable explanation that intelligent creatures can learn it as long as they are intelligent enough. A standard human won't do but enhanced by AI the learning is facilitated and the brain adapts opening up to new ways of thinking by the grace of the symbiotic relationship with SAM.
The Havarl Angara have learned the very basics (open doors and such) but it takes them years to do that, and not everyone can at all. Doesn't necessarily transfer to "all humans" as supposedly the Angara were "designed" to use the remnant.
How do you mean with all humans? I am saying that a certain level of intelligence is required. A SAM can enhance it, but I never intended it to mean that every human could manage this. Not every human can handle a SAM from what I gather in the game.
The Angara were created by the Remnant but they also have AI tech in their past. So I am not sure if the Angara were designed to use remtech. That's too big a leap for me. Why would they've had AI machines if they were designed to handle remtech? I doubt the Remnant would give that much power to the Angara and perhaps the Angara therefore developed AI tech and rebelled. Perhaps that's where the Scourge came from, except that it did as much damage to the Angara as the Remnant.
It's all speculation of course, but I do not see that Angara would've been designed to operate the technology of their creators. That would be unwise without testing first. You don't give kids a car to drive till you test them at a certain age and give them a license when they show they can handle it. And even then many mistakes are made.So you wouldn't give em a F1 car without further training and testing.
So yeah, in the end, without AI, it takes intelligent creatures many years to figure it out if they can at all.
I wonder what that says about the Archon...
Even worse yet, the Angara might have had something like SAM for helping with using Jardaan tech. And it was targeted by the Scourge, killing just about everyone would could use the tech the way it was designed and meant to be. So suddenly, their techs all die in one fell swoop and they no longer have the tech-base to rebuild their keys.
@EgoMania wrote:
@Vellu78 wrote:
@EgoMania wrote:
I can't say that there isn't some other mystical explanation that could be made, but along the principle of Ockham's razor I would think it is the most reasonable explanation that intelligent creatures can learn it as long as they are intelligent enough. A standard human won't do but enhanced by AI the learning is facilitated and the brain adapts opening up to new ways of thinking by the grace of the symbiotic relationship with SAM.
The Havarl Angara have learned the very basics (open doors and such) but it takes them years to do that, and not everyone can at all. Doesn't necessarily transfer to "all humans" as supposedly the Angara were "designed" to use the remnant.
How do you mean with all humans? I am saying that a certain level of intelligence is required. A SAM can enhance it, but I never intended it to mean that every human could manage this. Not every human can handle a SAM from what I gather in the game.
That's why I used the little bunny ears 😉
angaran AI?
Spoileryou mean that ancient AI on voeld? i'm not really sure what to make of it... it said it didn't recognize the angara as it's creator... though it was lying pretty much the whole time. and it's definitely not rem-tec (didn't share any design characteristics with any remnant tech i've seen thus far). but, whatever.
@CasperTheLich wrote:
angaran AI?
Spoileryou mean that ancient AI on voeld? i'm not really sure what to make of it... it said it didn't recognize the angara as it's creator... though it was lying pretty much the whole time. and it's definitely not rem-tec (didn't share any design characteristics with any remnant tech i've seen thus far). but, whatever.SpoilerPre-scourge angara I think it was determined (was in such ruins atleast).
@Vellu78 wrote:
@CasperTheLich wrote:
angaran AI?
Spoileryou mean that ancient AI on voeld? i'm not really sure what to make of it... it said it didn't recognize the angara as it's creator... though it was lying pretty much the whole time. and it's definitely not rem-tec (didn't share any design characteristics with any remnant tech i've seen thus far). but, whatever.SpoilerPre-scourge angara I think it was determined (was in such ruins atleast).The Remnant fighter on Havari was also called an Angarian spaceship and pilot.
