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Farrago96's avatar
9 years ago

Very important question

Andromeda Initiative launched in late 2185, and Mass Effect 3 ended around the middle\late 2186. As far as we know, almost all endings includes the explode of relays. If we assume that the time interval between the departure of the Andromeda Initiative and the ending of Mass Effect 3 is one year, it turns out that Arks have flown only 4200 light years, it is very small (The Initiative reached the Andromeda galaxy in 600, and the distance from Earth to Andromeda is 2520000 light years, it means that Arks Speed = 2520000/600= 4200 light years per year (in fact, as we learn from the game, this flight took more time then 600 years, it means that the speed be smaller)). It follows that Arks will move from the last Mass Relay only at 4200 light years. As we know, the exploding Mass Relay covers a very large area. In General, for the one year, moving with a speed of 4200 light years per year, they would not have left the radius of explosion. But what we see in Andromeda? Artificial Intelligence still on the ship is quite lively, which means that this is not Destroy Ending. Alive creatures and Artificial Intelligence not merged, nobody glow green, that means this is not Synthesis Ending. It remains only to Control Ending, because if even the Mass Relays are destroyed in this ending too, but it has no effect on Synthetic and Alive creatures and this is what we see in ME: Andromeda.

So it means that canonical ending of Mass Effect 3 is the Control Ending? Or Shepard chose to "continue the cycle" ?

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  • Pyrion, you are not right about "Destoy ending". This ending destroys all Reapers and all AI in Milky Way, the dialogue with the Catalyst made this thing absolutly clear.

  • Pixeldance, Mass Relays overloaded one by one with short intervals for a few seconds and their "energy waves" spread with a speed about 3000-3250 light years in one second ("energy wave" reaches Its maximum radius in about 4 seconds, the radius is approximately 12000-13000 light years, meaning 12000/4 = 3000 or 13000/4=3250) in any case, this is enormous speed. Anyway If the speed of the "energy waves" were small, the Reapers would have had time to annihilate all the remote corners of the galaxy before the signal could have reached it :D

  • mcsupersport's avatar
    mcsupersport
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    9 years ago
    @farrago
    If it killed ALL AI then how did energy wave tell the difference between a ships main computer and an AI? How did it kill the Geth, which were software and if chosen right able to operate inside Quarian biosuites? Sorry, destroy went after Reaper hardware which is why reapers, Edi, and somehow Geth died, but all the ships and computers required to run them were ok.

    As far as energy wave goes, physics states it will travel speed of light, unless you handwave magic waves somehow going faster.... Everywhere getting hit is easily explained by unknown locked relays and still maintains a semi science base. But hey if you want to handwave faster than light energy waves then just handwave the Arcs outrunning them because and let it go.
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    jpcerutti1
    9 years ago

    @mcsupersport wrote:
    @farrago
    If it killed ALL AI then how did energy wave tell the difference between a ships main computer and an AI? How did it kill the Geth, which were software and if chosen right able to operate inside Quarian biosuites? Sorry, destroy went after Reaper hardware which is why reapers, Edi, and somehow Geth died, but all the ships and computers required to run them were ok.

    As far as energy wave goes, physics states it will travel speed of light, unless you handwave magic waves somehow going faster.... Everywhere getting hit is easily explained by unknown locked relays and still maintains a semi science base. But hey if you want to handwave faster than light energy waves then just handwave the Arcs outrunning them because and let it go.

    *cough*, magnetic fields, gravity, something else I forgot, *cough* 

    I was disappointed that there's nobody in the Milky way we can chat with in real time to test the QE speed as truly instantaneous... or not.

  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    9 years ago

    @pyrion wrote:

    You're making three dangerous assumptions:

    1: That the Crucible managed to get constructed at all.

    2: That Shepard survived long enough to activate it.

    3: That SAM is based on Reaper code.

    You'll note that ME:A has no option for importing a ME3 save, right? In previous ME games where you don't import a save, the game starts from a position of implied incompetence on Shepard's part: ME2 assumes no speech checks in ME1 were passed and no sidequests were completed, so Wrex is dead, for instance. The Rachni Queen is dead, the Asari taken by the Thorian is dead, the Council died on the Destiny Ascension, etc. ME3 assumes the same for ME2. No loyalty missions completed. Kasumi and Zaeed not recruited, Grunt never woken up, Tali exiled from the Migrant Fleet, Samara and Thane dead, etc.

    It's reasonable to assume that Bioware's approach for the canonical ending is either a low EMS destroy ending, provided Shepard survived, or that Shepard died and the Crucible was never activated.

    #3 specifically addresses the Destroy ending canonically killing EDI and the Geth. It wasn't simply that they were synthetic life, it was that both EDI and the Geth, by that point, were using Reaper code. There's nothing in ME:A that suggests that SAM also uses Reaper code.


    I dont believe they will ever canonize or assume anything about anyones ME trilogy pts

    If there is ever a time in Andromeda that requires information about ME they will ask us - the players which direction our games took. They won't assume or force a direction on us.

    The base state of each game in the trilogy was only-ever- designed for those who didn’t play the previous games. So then its pretty much assumed they know nothing and did nothing because, well they didn't if they never played the previous game.

  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    9 years ago

    @Nykara360

    i figured at some point they'd do a dragon age keep type thing... the idk, mass effect bunker? 

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    Farrago96
    9 years ago

    mcsupersport, "If it killed ALL AI then how did energy wave tell the difference between a ships main computer and an AI? How did it kill the Geth, which were software and if chosen right able to operate inside Quarian biosuites?".
    If these "energy waves" in one of the endings can synthesize new DNA, so of course this "energy waves" can see difference between  simple "program software" and Artificial Intelligence, don't you think? 

    "As far as energy wave goes, physics states it will travel speed of light, unless you handwave magic waves somehow going faster"
    Watch the cutscene as the "energy wave" quickly covers a large area, It was clearly moving faster than the light speed. If this "energy wave" was moving at the light speed (300000 km/sec), It would take several thousand years to cover the star system, where was located Mass Relay, that created this "energy wave"...


  • @Farrago96 wrote:

    iKillOrDieTryN, Yes, good point. 

    But Nexus and Arks are big ships, they need time for accelerate, unfortunately we don't know, how much time they need.
    About rocks and planets, which are floating in the Dark Space between Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies: how we can see from "Dark Space Statistic" - 99.6% of space between the galaxies are not objects, so Arks shouldn't have changed its course very often, this means that the speed of 4200 light years per year is quite close to the maximum speed of the Arks. And don't forget that each ark have "Over Powered" AI, It could pre-calculate the path, so If there was loss of speed, It was minimal.


    fair enough.

    but lets say the ark was in the blast radius how fast do you think the blast itself was traveling after the explosion? from the cut scenes it wasn't very fast. after the blast started it took about 1 1/2 mins for earth to be covered. a beam of light shot at the nearest mass relay. from there it took 10-20 seconds to overload and redirect the beam to the next relay. from there the blast of the relay should have taken quite a while to reach the max radius. even if the cut scene shows the blast moving much faster i feel this was just for the sake of time skipping and not the real speed of travel. meaning very well the arks are far beyond the blast radius by the time the blast reached its max area of effect.

    Spoiler
    plus as we seen in the game the tempest was able to detect the archon ships before they crashed into them as well as make a full stop. no doubt the arks could detect objects if any in dark space. and as we seen in the game as well.... the salarian ark jumped pretty quickly to escape the kett ship. so no doubt they could do it again. of course this wouldn't mean they reached their top speed in that time. buts its not impossible to do it.
  • mcsupersport's avatar
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    9 years ago

    @Farrago96 " If these "energy waves" in one of the endings can synthesize new DNA, so of course this "energy waves" can see difference between  simple "program software" and Artificial Intelligence, don't you think? "

    Which is ONE of the BIGGEST issues I have for ME3 ending.....we went from SciFi to magic in the space of 10 minutes or so.  Supposedly, depending on your ending choice, you have magic light waves moving faster than the speed of light, able to create either DNA or Synthetic diversity/or choose between a program to run a ship and the AI who lives on the ship, using some form of energy directed by some form of intelligence that is able to manipulate said energy from a central point......yeah, magic hand wave, which turns my stomach in SciFi.   How does using Shepard DNA allow for Turian's DNA to be altered??  How does a wave of energy manage to figure out what a plant on the far side of the Milky Way which acts nothing like anything on Earth side need to be fully functional with synthetic componets????And where does it get those components??  Hey....I got it...just wave your hands and POOF.....

    Actually if you figure in unknown locked relays that we haven't discovered, it would be easy to say, yeah the whole galaxy is covered within reasonable time, and NOT require massive physics rewrite.  But hey, if you want ANOTHER plothole, go for it, light blast travels faster than light and somehow misses the arks in a huge plothole.

    OK, enough ME3 rant...wrong place for it, and it just PmO......

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    9 years ago

    Also as a side note to the ships drive....we don't actually know HOW their drive works, and they may actually use some sort of Folding of space system that requires them to run for a bit, pause then run again until they reach their destination if said destination is past what a single jump allows.  This would mean they may run REAL fast for a few years, then more slowly as the system cycles and then run fast again.....so the first year, they may have covered MUCH farther than just a steady rate, more a sprint then rest the sprint again type of movement.

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