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Anonymous
8 years ago

Carbons Relationship to Payback

OK, so after looking into things, it sounds like Payback takes A LOT of cues from Carbon. now the 2 worlds are not connected in any way. but there are some things that are coming from carbon. let's start.

in Carbon, the goal of the game was to build your own crew and take control from Darius who controls the city, the cops, and the crews in much the same way the house does Silver Rock City the reason I say Darius controlled all of those things was because one of the first cutscenes where he says "I don't remember asking for your help crock, what makes you think you can bounty hunt in Silverton without my approval" and "near the end of the game he gets the leaders of each of the crews you took out to join his crew after all of the people from his crew decided to join your crew") now, i don't think that's just a coincidence (/s "I think Darius always had some control over the crews in the city apart from yours and the Scorpion crew") and Payback seems to have the same goal as carbon, you need to build up a crew and get revenge against the major crew "The House", in fact they made that a point during E3 that you needed to build your crew and get revenge against The House.

now, what about the name Silverton, Silverton is the northern district of Palmont City. In Payback, we have no clue of the naming of districts or if there even is any, however, the name of the city in payback is Silver Rock City, but the similarities do not stop there. Silver Rock City, is based on real life Las Vegas, Silverton, the Northern District of Palmont is also based on real life Las Vegas. I really don't think that's just a coincidence there are too many similarities there for it to be a coincidence I mean both have the word "silver" in the name and both are based on the same exact city. I think Ghost Games is really trying to tell us "hey these games have more in common than you might think and we are actually drawing inspiration from carbon for this game"

but, there is more, in paybacks reveal article they seemed to make a pretty big point about "deadly drops in Silver Canyon". the only other NFS game to have "deadly canyon drops" was NFS Carbon (and maybe world, but I don't know I just assume because world was just old NFS maps merged together) this could be possibly pointing to canyon duels/battles returning, if you want to read more on that theory I have another Reddit thread dedicated to just that.

so far those are all things that make me think Ghost Games is using it for inspiration. if you have any more similarities please post them down below.

Darius's crew (the antagonizing crew of Carbon) name is "The Stacked Deck" the name of the antagonizing crew in Payback is "The House" both names are references to gambling and both names are references to Poker/other gambling games that use cards.

the name of the western district in Palmont City (Carbons City) is Fortuna the name of the state in which Payback takes place is Fortune Valley.

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  • XGCSith's avatar
    XGCSith
    Seasoned Ace
    8 years ago

    Man, it looks like you put some real thought into this. This all makes sense and I am hoping they really do make a connection with Carbon. Nice job and awesome post. Hopefully we will here more about this soon.

  • This was an amazing thing to read through , For reals!

    But It sounds like they are going for a whole other story with this game. Yes , Both stories have crews that go up against each other but thats where all of it ends. One crew looks to take over the entire city and one crew looks for revenge.

    There are also a few easter eggs in the Trailers. You can see Razor's name on one of the scenes in one of the trailers , Dosnt have to mean its going to be somehow connected to Most Wanted 05. 

    But , I really do hope they will go with the carbon feel. 

  • It would be cool if the house boss is named Darius (not necessarily the same Darius from carbon, but i wouldn't mind if it was) as a nod to that game and maybe have Razor/Clarence Callahan as a rival as well. however a new story independent of the past games would probably be better and the nods to previous games is great. I hope (and they probably will) they add the rival wraps from carbon and most wanted (again). It would also be nice to have rival races where you can either win their car or unlock their wrap when you win

  • @snakeheadinvad3 I'd like to correct you on a few things that were overlooked.

    Quote: paybacks reveal article they seemed to make a pretty big point about "deadly drops in Silver Canyon". the only other NFS game to have "deadly canyon drops" was NFS Carbon (and maybe world, but I don't know I just assume because world was just old NFS maps merged together)

    I played N.F.S.World and there were no Canyon races!

    Also, you could have just shortened the book you wrote to simply say that you feel Payback is Similar to Carbon.

    No need to address every word and point to prove your point.

    All we can do is just wait and see what Payback is all about once released.

    Regards

    BLVD69

  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago

    I posted this on the NFS sub-Reddit and than posted it here, and I didn't know there were no canyon races in world because not only did I not play it but I remember seeing images of canyons in world that why I said that. 

  • BlackPanthaa brought up the point that Ghost isn't afraid to delve into the past. Carbon being my favorite nfs, I would love if there was even a slight reference to it.

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