Re: Classic NFS games

> Please, explain to me why is there so much hate for ricers. Why would a car with a very powerful engine and expensive and well made race inspired cosmetic enhancements be so hated?

First note that EA itself made fun of "ricer" cars in the intro video for High Stakes (1999). Some people think that the "other" car is a Honda Civic, but others think it's a VW Golf, and it seems there's a Porsche logo on the hood of the VW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqSgIzglbSE

In real life, some of the modified tuner cars back then had mostly visual upgrades with little done for performance, and in some cases, the visuals included logos (big decals) for stuff the car didn't have, and in some cases, for the wrong model or brand of car. Honda Civic's seemed to be popular for stuff like this for a few years around that time. Some of the cars had "coffee can" mufflers, which made them loud, but did little for actual performance. The association of cars like these with gangs in some US cities didn't help matters either. An actual Honda Civic ad (2003):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F74dd04ggo

> why would this be a licensing issue?

I don't know if there is an licensing issue, I only mentioned that it's a possibility. I don't know the issues involved with selling older games via a new outlet (from EA CD/DVD to Origin download).

I agree 100% with that, but the cars that I have in these games are monsters underneath the hood and I have used the very best decals the game has. Up until I had unlocked the tier 3 decals I only had logos from components that are in the car. But I don't know, it seems as if even if you have a powerful car, you'll still be mocked if you put any sort of vinyls on your car, not matter how well they are made.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqSgIzglbSE That is a Honda Civic, judging by the headlights and stoplights, it's a Civic all right.

But this picture, this is how you properly "rice" a car.

> even if you have a powerful car, you'll still be mocked if you put any sort of vinyls on your car

In real life or in a game? In a game, it doesn't matter to me. In real life, as posted above, some people were getting carried away with vinyls, and also stereo systems. That's not much of a fad anymore. As for Underground 2, using wide bodykits made it more likely to hit walls and also to slow the car down more if you did hit or slid along a wall, so that was a case where a visual customization, wide bodykits, adversely affected times, since at some tracks, wall riding was faster. I used vinyls in Underground and Underground 2, but would never use them on a real car. In NFS World, I left most or all of the decals that came with special versions of cars, although I did tend to change the color schemes.

For Underground, one of the vinyls had a glow effect:

http://rcgldr.net/nfs7/n7rx7.jpg

Then there was this photo shopped "6 star" car for Underground:

http://rcgldr.net/nfs7/rx7.jpg

and this unusually modified 240SX for prostreet:

http://rcgldr.net/nfsp/240sx.jpg

"but would never use them on a real car"

I'm not very sure on using them on a car myself. But what's the reason in your case for not using them? 

> what's the reason in your case for not using them?

I have a black car with black interior, not a good color scheme for vinyls (for some models, perhaps a red stripe). As for cars I've seen, it seems to be somewhat common to have some form of black trim on yellow cars. I have seen heavily modified cars at local car show, the most extreme case a Willy's with an intake stack and blower that is higher than the top of the windshield (next to last image):

http://rcgldr.net/crshw.htm

"I have a black car with black interior"

What car do you have?

It's a 2006 Corvette Z06 (first year of the C6 models). The prices for used ones became reasonable a few years ago. It's the car on the right in the last photo of the car show photos.

Thought as much, after seeing the photos. Well I wouldn't put vinyls on a Muscle Car like that either. I don't know, it just wouldn't match. I mean, the type of vinyls that you'd put on a Supra aren't the same ones that you'd put on a Corvette. To me, cars like the Corvette or the Viper should stop at stripes. The type of double stripes that the Viper had. Car selection is important, not all cars fit the bill for visual customization. For the cars that do, vinyls are a great way to make your car look unique. Spoilers and bumpers do to, and it gives the car a more sporty type of bodywork. They'd be useful for me as well, If I had the possibility to, I'd take my car around public racetrack as often as I could. I would attend car shows too. I've never been to one because where I'm from people can't really afford cars that are worth showing off.

For corvettes, the main exception to stripes are the yellow ones, with black center trim stripes, and sometimes pin stripes on the side. Vipers and Mustangs often have center stripes. 

NOS? Who said anything about NOS? How is having a bodykit, a wing/spoiler and some vinyls dangerous in any way, shape or form?

"Boring every day car"

A Skyline GT-R R34 is a boring everyday car? Or a 350z? Or an RX-7? Or a  Supra? 

You sound as if I'd buy a Peugeot 206, put NOS, cheap aftermarket bumpers and and a shelf as a wing on it. No, I wouldn't.

"i would rather have a Ferrari or Lamborgini instead" 

Let me put it like this, the 488 looks better and is better around a track than a standard 350z, but I don't want better, I want the little Japanese coupe with half the power. I want to up that power, put bumpers and a wing for downforce and race it around a track.

 Plus you could probably buy a 350z for no more that 15k, I've seen prices go as low as 8k for the 2004 models.

Oh yes, I'm all about everyone doing whatever the * they want, AS LONG AS it doesn't affect others. It seems to me that a lot of people in the car community who aren't interested in tunning and they're all about supercars and all that, much like yourself, like to hate on the people that are. Not necessarily into supercars, but just refusing to put any enhancements on their cars whatever they might be. So to clarify, I'm not bothered because they're not in it, I'm bothered because they're against it. 

And I didn't say NFS didn't take inspiration from F&F, I'm saying that F&F took inspiration from the REAL car tunning "culture" that was happening back then.

F&F and NFS brought it to all the kids, but it didn't start with F&F or NFS. You made it sound as if tunning cars started with Fast and Furious a few posts back and I disagree. F&F took inspiration from the import tuner scene from real life and then NFS took inspiration from F&F.

But to be honest, I didn't really feel like playing a Fast and Furious game when playing Underground. The setting was the same😛owerful, riced, imported Japanese sports cars everywhere, but that was real and I think it still is .There are car meets in real life where you'd see cars that appeared in F&F and NFS. Now of course, it's brought to the extreme in these two, but the origins of it are still real.

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@BVBgamer88 wrote:
Maclaren F1 is still the fastest stock supercar these days. 

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Not anymore, there are several other supercars that are faster. The last McLaren F1 was made in 1998 (they only made 106 of them). In terms of top speed, the 1993 Dauer 962 Lemans (basically a street legal Porsche 962) had the highest top speed back then, 251 mph (versus F1 at 240 mph with speed limiter disabled). Wiki has a list of the "fastest" cars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_car_speed_record

wiki also has a list of the "quickest" cars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_cars_by_acceleration

Most motorcycles have a 300 kph (186mph) speed limiter due to EU rulings.. Wiki does have a list of quickest motocycles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles_by_acceleration

Mayby not but, it was still the fastest when Richard Hammond raced the Maclaren F1 against the Bugatti Veyron. Yeah that is mayby several years old, anyway i dont hate people that like ricing and all that. But it pisses me of when most of you say you want Underground 3, and you guys think you speaks for the whole community. The community is splitted Old school and the  Gen Z generation, my point is im tired of those tuner games. I just think its time for a Old school game again with supercars and tracks, and some classic teckno tunes not that stupid rap *.

Out of the 20+ NFS games, only 2 of them, Underground and Underground 2, were about tuner cars. The games before and after include supercars, except for Porsche Unleashed, which is all Porsches, but it does include 1978 935 and 1998 GT1 race cars. NFS 1 through NFS 4 - High Stakes also have bonus fictional cars,  NFS 1 - Warrior PTO, NFS 2SE - Bomber BFS, FZR 2000, Tombstone, NFS 3 and NFS 4 - El Nino.

Can't you just play Shift 2 if you like supercars and racetracks so much? I played it and I loved it. Or the 2010 Hot Pursuit, it was a literal remake of the old one. I played that too, finished it and I loved it. I just want the early 2000s NFS games on origin, if they decide to include the earlier ones as well, it's even better for me because I'd have some catching up to do. I'm not really that interested in Ghosts' attempts to resurrect Need For Speed Most Wanted or Underground, I just wanna play the old ones without so many headaches. Just a version of those games that runs at least decent on W10. Because NOTHING is like the original.

"HP2 was the last NFS game that didn't have NOS or customization" - Porsche Unleashed includes performance and body parts (some of the body parts have little or no effect on performance, like wheels), and paint trim schemes (the equivalent of vinyls). NFS2 through Porsche Unleashed all include some form of engine and aerodynamics tuning, and the ability to paint the cars. High Stakes Japan version includes the Nissan Skyline, and this was distributed via the fan forums at the time, and most of the online regulars before Oct 2003 server shutdown had all the country specific cars.

" I'm not really that interested in Ghosts' attempts to resurrect Need For Speed Most Wanted or Underground." For some games, EA / Origin relies on a third party (one of them may be Good Old Games) to remove a disc protection scheme and replace it with a digital rights protection scheme, but otherwise it's the original game. I think conversion of ProStreet to a digital download was done this way (I'm not sure who did the actual conversion). Other modifications like higher resolutions might be included with the conversion. However, I read that Origin no longer sells ProStreet.

In the case of Undercover, the DVD was only used for installation, and the game was activated online similar to a digital download. However, the Origin version of Undercover was changed enough to make it incompatible with the patches, including 1.0.1.18 which is the patch that adds the Challenge Series and the 3 special edition cars you can win from the Challenge Series.

Somewhat related, Origin no longer sells the Limited Edition of Shift 2 Unleashed, which may be due the Origin server no longer supporting "DLC" content that is actually unlocked as opposed to being downloaded, so even though a player paid for extra content, since the Origin server no sends "unlock" messages when a player logs in, the extra content can't be unlocked. This would mostly affect players that buy the original DVD version of Shift 2 Unleashed Limited Edition from an online retailer like Amazon. I don't know if this affects other games that rely on an unlocking scheme. It seems that removing "unlock" messages from the server occurred 1 or 2 years ago.

actually EA lost Licensing on some older games when Origin  took over. that is also why they are down some servers. they needed the server space to make newer and higher res games. Like the one I hate Rivals. A game that is called a racing game but you can not use a racing wheel to play it. that one needs to be scrubbed and remade with wheel access. then I might be happy to play it. As of now I just wasted @$50 on a game I cant play.