Stop trying to be Burnout
What is wrong with EA? No one wants thses physics, everyone has been asking for a NFS title that resembles the old underground and most wanted and in your attempt to do so you guys completely ignore t...
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"This is the first time I've ever heard about #craigitup but if it actually was the leading force behind them taking a year off for extra development what did it actually achieve?"
you know what the extra year acheived? it achieved deep customization, and it corrected the path that NFS was going down. you know if the movement never happened we would still be getting Hot Pursuit Burnout style games. you accuse Payback of being Burnout, but do you forget that Most Wanted 2012 and Rivals exist?? like seriously get real. the only thing burnout style this game has is the takedown camera, but even after I prove to you that it's not as intrusive and that it only exists in the rare heist missions you still are accusing it of being burnout. which if you didn't know, burnout was a rip off of older NFS titles from the way things feel to the maps look.
"people have been spamming we want NFSUG3 since 2010"
actually ive seen more requests for another most wanted game than i have an underground game. also it would be stupid for them to do another underground because the big things people hated about NFS 2015 were features ripped straight from the underground games. such as always night, and limited garage space. NFS 2015 whether you like it or not was essentially underground 3. every feature that made underground what it was, was in 2015.
"these same youtubers who got early access to Payback also said NFS 2015 was great when it really wasn't."
NFS 15 made major improvements to the series. like brake to drift. you didn't have to use brake to drift in 2015 which made drifting more skillful with all the silliness in the physics out of the picture the fact that you didn't have to use brake to drift was huge. I'm not saying 2015 is a great game, but I think it's better than what a lot of people give it credit for. and with 2015 these youtubers had nothing but rivals and most wanted 2012 to compare to 2015 and when you compare 2015 to rivals or Most Wanted 2012 then of course the game is going to seem amazing. which in comparison to those titles it was.
"Of course the F132 had different physics its running extremely wide slick tires its practically impossible for it to handle like any of the other cars, but at the end of the day I'm still going to need gameplay I can't just take anyone's word on it regardless if they played it."
hahahaha. dude the F132s handling has nothing to do with tires or whatever BS you are throwing out there. the type of tire tread and tire size in NFS is completely irrelevant to how cars handle in that game. the F132 has completely different physics CODING than every other car in 2015 and the wheels & tires size has no factor what so ever in how they work because that's not a part of the physics coding. if it was the AE86 in 2015 would just constantly slide because the wheels on that car are extremely thin no matter what. in NFS 2015 the only thing tire related that matters in is the direction in which the tire is pointing. the F132 was a step in the direction of what the physics were going to be in payback there is no reason why they wouldnt build on that. just accept the facts instead of making it worse for yourself.
"I don't remember Burnout ever acting that way when you came in contact with another car, you still had to hit them pretty hard to bring up the crash cam"
you can't argue video of people being constantly taken down by a little love tap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ermrGKGEyJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IbXQffq8T4
"I'm not just sending hate at Ghost its also EA to blame, both parties know what we want"
and they are giving us what we want. just to list some of the things we the community wanted that are in payback.
- Deep Customization
- Harder Racer AI
- Bigger Open World
- Harder Cop AI
- A More Interesting Story
- Day Night Cycle
- More cars and more car variation including
- Nissan 350z
- 1967 Camaro
- Buick Grand National GNX
- 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge
- 1969 Dodge Charger
- 1957 Chevrolet Bel air
- Unlimited Garage Space
- Car Dealerships
- Performance Shops
- Snapshot Pro
- Vinyl Sharing
- Manual Transmission
- No Locked Framerate On PC
and you love to praise the older games physics, but do you even remember how bad those physics are and were. in underground to undercover, your car would just randomly flip by hitting a curb wrong which always caused you the race or caused you to get busted by the cops. oh and what about the fact that in UG1 if you hit a traffic car your own car would literally do 600 flips in the air. oh and what about the prison shortcut in most wanted? do you even remember taking that shortcut and flipping of control due to how bad the physics were when you landed on the ground from a jump or what about how in undercover your car would just spin out by the smallest of taps from AI or small wall taps? the physics back then werent too hot themselves.
I'm not going to keep going back forth with you on this at the end of the day gameplay will tell all and my opinions are based off of what gameplay we are given at the time and not he said she said comments
im sorry, but you are actually an idiot.
you even deny the facts i give you that are supported by existing gameplay and existing confirmed information combined. such as my huge thread on how the physics are improved or how the creative director of the game confirmed that the takedown camera only exists in missions and not races that alone completely debunked your silly arguments. you dont have to like the game you see, but your argument of it being burnout is not only very dry, but also very weak. i use mostly comments given by ghost games as a source. which im sure know a lot more about the game than you do since they are the ones making the game.
just because there is drifting and a takedown camera doesn't make something a burnout rip off, of course, there's some inspiration from it, but there's also more influences from older NFS games than there is burnout such as.
- Canyons
- Customization
- Performance Shops
- Car Lots
- No fast traveling to the garage
- Story
- Licensed Cars
- Cops
- Progression System
- The Map
to me burnout is all about the over the top jumps, the light hearted tone, and the crash mode. takedown cameras do not make burnout what it is. you can remove take down cameras from burnout and it will still be burnout. you can remove the drifting from burnout and it will still be burnout.
- If you say so bro clearly you're a fanboy so whats the point in continuing to talk to you.
im not a fanboy. i just know facts.
if you don't like the game you see why are you here, and why don't you just not buy the game instead of making the community more cancerous. at this point the NFS community is on similar toxicity level to the COD community, you have people just like you who go on the forums and Reddit with baseless arguments just so you can complain about the game. id argue the situation is worse on Reddit.
like honestly you have not given me one good reason as to why Payback is like Burnout, instead you call me a fanboy for expecting you to give more than 2 reasons as to why Payback is anything like burnout. 2 small minuscule features like those aren't going to make someone with more than one brain cell to switch to your side. you can't expect to have people on your side when your points are dry and weak, I'm sorry you just can't.
I think most people in this thread forget major things.
since NFS had its major identity crisis NFS has always had to try and please everyone. they had to please the people who loved most wanted 2012, they have to please the people who loved the underground series, and they have to please the people who like the run or even pro street. and I think they are doing a good job at doing this by having 2 different physics models. and I can tell you there is absolutely no way these new physics can suck with all the information we have there is just no way for them to suck. let me explain a bit further.
so the F132, we all know about it, but I don't think all of us have driven it based on this entire thread complaining about physics. the F132 had AMAZING physics in comparison to everything in the entire game. of course, they weren't really as refined as they could have been, but thats only because the F132 was an early revision of new physics. the physics for the F132 were likely there to give players an early version of what paybacks physics are going to be like (so the players would not just up an leave). my logical thinking on this is that there is no way that the car with the latest version of the physics in 2015 gets completely scrapped and replaced for the inferior physics from the cars that were in the game from launch in 2015. now yes perhaps they should have shown us the grip physics first, but whatever they can't do anything about that. we know there is more gameplay likely coming on the 18th or the 25th, but id say that it will be the 18th because the NFS twitter said they were recording gameplay a few days ago. and other posts by devs of the game said there would be more gameplay before the end of July.
I'm not telling you to go out and pre order the game, I'm telling you to at least give Ghost Games a chance this is only their second full game. and they are really passionate about what they are doing. you can hear it in their voice you can see it in all the game with all the features the fans want being added. just give them the chance.
Dude that is actually the biggest problem, since EA allways trys too please everyone. That is not working, what EA should done long ago is having two NFS teams. Etc one team that could make a illegal street racing game like Ghost are doing now, but also a second teeam that could goo back making same type of NFS games that we had in the 90s. Because then both generations would be happy, and i know EA have the money and recoruses doo make it happen. They are not a small company like SCS, so this should they done for long time ago.
- That's probably the most idiotic thing you can say,just because I don't like the direction NFS is going in doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion that's the problem with you fanboys if you don't absolutely love the way the game is and circle * what their doing you can't say anything bad about the game,if everyone who didn't like certain aspects of a game followed your rule the sales (which are already terrible) will plummet even further giving EA a reason to end the series. I've said this multiple times but apparently you can't read. If more gameplay comes out and they in fact did change these things I have no problem changing my opinion of the game.
Actually you are wrong, i was a fan of the original series that started in the 90s. I havent been a fan of NFS after they gone Fast and Furious way. then i would say i liked Criterions NFS games since both HP 2010 and Rivals, gived me good feeling that i had when i used too play High stakes and the other old NFS games. My biggest complain is that dont like nowadasys NFS force you too tune and customice the cars, insted of letting bee opinal like it should be. Thats why i mean there should be two NFS team one that could make games for the ricer geenration, and the other for mee and my old school generation that just wants too race in stock exsotic supercars.
- Sorry wasn't talking about you that was for snake. Apologies
look I can tell you are a Forza fanboy just by your statement "look at Horizon 3" id argue Horizon 3 is probably the most boring game I have ever played id much rather play FH1 or FH2 @Sparco_MLR. you have said nothing constructive and all your points are extremely DRY AND WEAK. I have already debunked all of the 2, weak points you've given me. if you are willing to give me more reasons that aren't completely stupid than ill definitely listen to what you have to say. and that's that. I have given you reasons as to why your 2 points are stupid and all you have had to say is that I'm a fanboy or that I'm stupid or some stupid stuff like that instead of maybe getting better points you continue to get hung up on the already debunked points you keep giving me. as I stated before you need to give them a chance instead of hopping straight onto the hate train. I've not departed on any train I'm still at the station waiting for them show more. I will stick up for the game when I know someone is spewing complete nonsense about it.
@NFSMWBOSS88 Customization hasn't been forced since Underground 2.
and this is actually their second attempt at making a game for every type of fan of the series. and the whole issue with your suggestion is EA has tried that. and it caused Black Box to be shut down this was right before NFS had its MAJOR identity crisis that's when the yearly hot pursuit burnout style NFS started. in the last game, they came pretty close to favoring the game to all players but just fell short for a few reasons, which I'm sure they have ironed out. in fact, it would be extremely confusing if those issues haven't been ironed out considering this game has been 2 years in development. and considering that NFS 2015 was a large 2 year beta for Payback its nearly impossible for them to get this wrong. and I stand by that statement.
you all just need to wait and see more instead of hopping on the hate bandwaggon/train that Payback has.
- Lmao where did I ever say I was a fan of Forza? All I said was in terms of physics FH3 has the best combination of arcade and somewhat simulation, I guess that makes me a fanboy now lol good one.
you are obviously a fanboy considering that game is complete trash in comparison to pretty much any Forza game in existence and you are saying that it's a good base line that NFS should copy, umm yeah no. I think NFS should try to be its self and not Forza, not The Crew, none of that. NFS needs to have its own style. and I will state this again NFS Payback has fixed the physics and I have already given you the reason why. you just need to wait for a demo or something along those lines before you judge how the driving feels. we could go all technical on it like I already have, but at the end of the day its hard to judge physics just by looking at a video.
those gameplay videos aren't released for you to judge the physics they are there for you to judge the feature, it's there for you to judge the graphics, its there for you to judge the story. it's just not there for you to judge something that is mostly felt and not seen. now as I've said before it would have been smarter for them to show the grip physics first, but there's not much they can do about what they have already shown. you just need to wait a hot minute before you jump on the hate train. you need to do your research read all the dev interviews to get an idea of what the game is actually going to be like instead of going out on assumptions.
