A buddy made this video. Aljo keeps asking for video of stuff. Here's a great one for you 🙂
[Video removed for immediate profanity - Admin.]
EDIT: Video was removed for profanity, wow. Speechless.
If anyone wants to see the video just look up NHL 23: The Worst NHL Game Ever? on youtube. The user who posted it is named llampen NHL
@EA_Aljo
Sounds like a good weapon against poke spamming. (that poking or using the DSS slows you down a lot more).
But ofc a thin line here, 'you' don't want to nerf defence more then you have to.
But I rather see more cycling by the offensive team, then spamming from the defensive team.
Sounds like good changes to me.
What seem to be worst is the physics (hit bubble) and the puck carriers ability to carry on with the puck, regardless of resistance. (puck magnet). And that, plus the 'speed punish' you get by using pokes and DSS is probebly too much disadvantage for the defence.
Importen body physics and poke check physics works good, if you put more requirement/responsibility on the defence by penalize spam. Wich makes defense more dependent on body checks and trustworthy puck physics in case of contact.
And perhaps some tuning on the L't.
I only base this on other's opinion I read about the game.
But all in all, sounds like a game were you need to think a bit more before you get rid of the puck.
@EA_Aljo
Here's the thing though: I won't speak for others but when I was freaking out about the "week 1 reversion patch" every year, it was because I always enjoyed what you did in the beta and hated that the first patch threw away every change y'all made and turned it back into, essentially, a $90 stat wipe. This year when the team decided "hey, everyone hates when we patch stuff so let's not do anything at all" - the year we absolutely, positively, objectionably NEEDED that patch - It leaves me totally flabbergasted.
Like, it honestly could not have taken the dev team an entire year's worth of time/money/effort to do what we got... That's why I get so heated. Like, instead of just reverting the game back to a previous state or not doing anything at all, I find it weird how the team doesn't want to/can't just sit in a room and discuss ways to making meaningful improvements...
As for the old forum discussions and stuff - I am willing to take some of the blame but not all of it. This was a 50/50 situation that got out of hand. What I got out of most of that was how according to some people, the game was running the way it was supposed to and it was the community that wasn't doing things right (and that my team just needs to "get better"). I would like to suggest the community and dev team start a discussion here under the guise of "aliens are invading earth so we must all set aside our differences for the greater good (of NHL)".
Regardless of all the full sim and arcade stuff, NHL, as a video game, just isn't up to par.
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:This year when the team decided "hey, everyone hates when we patch stuff so let's not do anything at all" - the year we absolutely, positively, objectionably NEEDED that patch - It leaves me totally flabbergasted.
This. A thousand times, this.
For me each new NHL game from 16 to 22 brought some kind of positive change to the game. They weren't perfect. I didn't necessarily agree with every gameplay change, but they were all generally moving the game in the right direction. And I never felt that any game was "ruined" by post-beta changes, even changes I didn't feel were 100% correct.
That's why the state of the NHL 23 beta was such a surprise. No positive ( IMHO ) changes to the gameplay. Goalies were completely broken and pretty much every defensive tool was either outright made useless or severely nerfed while offensive tools were buffed. During the beta I was telling teammates that there was no way the release version of NHL 23 was going to be the same as the beta. There was no way they could look at the state of the game and be satisfied with it. Boy, do I have egg on my face now.
People not liking changes made post-release to a previous game has nothing to do with what was needed post-release for NHL 23. That attitude is galling. People liked BF3, that doesn't give BF 2042 a pass.
I'd almost rather the excuse be that EA poured all their resources in cross-play this year and had nothing left to deal with gameplay changes. It still wouldn't be a valid excuse, but it would at least not come across as outright insulting.
EA: Y'all like the beta again, huh? Oops! We changed it! Uh oh's!
EA: Wait, y'all DON'T like the beta this year? Well ya shouldn't have asked us not to touch anything the last few years! You played yourself!
Definitely need an attempt for a fix to this game. Quite frankly I myself feel ripped off for paying full price when the games broken. The tuner isn't even a BETA ! It's technical test and is why many technical issues are being experienced. I wish Ben still worked on the game, since he would have this stuff fixed asap just like in NHL 21.
Community Manager
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
@EA_Aljo
Here's the thing though: I won't speak for others but when I was freaking out about the "week 1 reversion patch" every year, it was because I always enjoyed what you did in the beta and hated that the first patch threw away every change y'all made and turned it back into, essentially, a $90 stat wipe. This year when the team decided "hey, everyone hates when we patch stuff so let's not do anything at all" - the year we absolutely, positively, objectionably NEEDED that patch - It leaves me totally flabbergasted.
Like, it honestly could not have taken the dev team an entire year's worth of time/money/effort to do what we got... That's why I get so heated. Like, instead of just reverting the game back to a previous state or not doing anything at all, I find it weird how the team doesn't want to/can't just sit in a room and discuss ways to making meaningful improvements...
As for the old forum discussions and stuff - I am willing to take some of the blame but not all of it. This was a 50/50 situation that got out of hand. What I got out of most of that was how according to some people, the game was running the way it was supposed to and it was the community that wasn't doing things right (and that my team just needs to "get better"). I would like to suggest the community and dev team start a discussion here under the guise of "aliens are invading earth so we must all set aside our differences for the greater good (of NHL)".
Regardless of all the full sim and arcade stuff, NHL, as a video game, just isn't up to par.
We have released patches. There hasn't been a new tuner though. I'm not saying we will never have one, but the stance on it has been that they shouldn't change due to all the backlash we get for releasing them.
@EA_Aljo
I will try to differentiate between patches and tuners better in the future.
There are still bugs in the game that span back to NHL 10 and because nothing was done this year, I'm pretty sure the team is now averaging less than 1 tuner update a year - that is a travesty.
You mentioned earlier that HUT doesn't receive nearly as many updates as people assume but there are brand new cards, and events every week/month (yes this is done in advance, but this time/effort could be spent elsewhere), and you pump money into advertising the tournaments and such - Even if that was all automated, it's still way more than everyone else gets. People are going to be watching a real PAID tournament soon too; all the highest OVR players you could possibly buy in HUT definitely help make up for some of the problems, but not all of them.
It's mid-January now - I don't think the team has ever added a meaningful patch/tuner/update, what have you, this "late" into a game's cycle as it's always "all hands on deck" for the new title, so my best educated guess is everyone has to just deal and hope for '24.
@EA_Aljo wrote
We have released patches. There hasn't been a new tuner though. I'm not saying we will never have one, but the stance on it has been that they shouldn't change due to all the backlash we get for releasing them.
So essentially giving feedback is talking into the void and getting nothing or getting a monkey paw version of what you wanted. It's really sad that we can't even get a one sided state of the game address to the community from the dev team. I'm not even asking for an open conversation because it's not gone well in the past and it definitely would be extremely bad for everyone now but someone has to address all the problems with the current game and talk about the future of the series. It feels like the community and the dev team are in a war and everyone is doing everything out of spite(i'm not saying they literally are, just the vibe).
Community Manager
@CleanHeart wrote:
@EA_Aljo wrote
We have released patches. There hasn't been a new tuner though. I'm not saying we will never have one, but the stance on it has been that they shouldn't change due to all the backlash we get for releasing them.
So essentially giving feedback is talking into the void and getting nothing or getting a monkey paw version of what you wanted. It's really sad that we can't even get a one sided state of the game address to the community from the dev team. I'm not even asking for an open conversation because it's not gone well in the past and it definitely would be extremely bad for everyone now but someone has to address all the problems with the current game and talk about the future of the series. It feels like the community and the dev team are in a war and everyone is doing everything out of spite(i'm not saying they literally are, just the vibe).
I agree. I would love to get a state of the game update. It's something I really hope we can do sometime. Regardless, feedback never goes in to a void. People give feedback and expect it to be addressed immediately. That's not normally how it works though. In most cases, when feedback is used, it doesn't happen until a future game.
