LoL. That was a rant and a half, wasn't it? I'm sorry guys, but can you imagine if they took the effort that went into creating a whole chel store, chel coins, and HUT money into actual gameplay features and additions before the release of the game?
Instead, as a defenseman, I get to enjoy this happening over and over and over and over. Gold Stick 'Em Up with a 90+ Stick Checking gets you absolute nothing. I'm trying to abuse the Hip-Check, but with this happening, what other options do I have? Can't really hit regular because that barely works since I have to have my speed/accel at 92 just to catch the speedy wingers. I'm not saying poke should always work, but my goodness, the forwards don't have to do anything but keep skating like the D isn't even there.
@Jammalammalam wrote:LoL. That was a rant and a half, wasn't it? I'm sorry guys, but can you imagine if they took the effort that went into creating a whole chel store, chel coins, and HUT money into actual gameplay features and additions before the release of the game?
Don't be sorry, lol ! We feel your pain and it’s good to vent once in awhile, instead of breaking controllers and stuff 😉
It’s also ok to vent as long as we keep it civilized… I’ve done my share of venting since 24 came out 😏
BTW, look at the XPs @Jagavekov first post in this thread. It’s unfreakinbelievable ! At least we are not alone thinking that way….
Peace ✌️
@Jammalammalam wrote:LoL. That was a rant and a half, wasn't it? I'm sorry guys, but can you imagine if they took the effort that went into creating a whole chel store, chel coins, and HUT money into actual gameplay features and additions before the release of the game?
Instead, as a defenseman, I get to enjoy this happening over and over and over and over. Gold Stick 'Em Up with a 90+ Stick Checking gets you absolute nothing. I'm trying to abuse the Hip-Check, but with this happening, what other options do I have? Can't really hit regular because that barely works since I have to have my speed/accel at 92 just to catch the speedy wingers. I'm not saying poke should always work, but my goodness, the forwards don't have to do anything but keep skating like the D isn't even there.
this stuff simply cant happen if youre going to nerf DSS and also have poke checking result in almost a total loss of speed....i just dont understand how were still no closer to a well balanced online experience than we were in NHL 09 (we might be farther away actually)
just simple breakdown here:
offense - incorrectly sprints into a defender with almost zero puck protections as theyve initiated a sprint. Did literally nothing right = breakaway, beat his man by a mile
defense - incorrectly uses stick rather than body but timed the poke well enough for contact = flat-footed, completely out of the play, didnt slow the offense down at all as incidental contact was severely decreased in NHL 23 for some reason
how can we continue to pretend that defensive tools are why this game lacks time and space online without even remotely trying to address sakting speed, accelration, incidental contact, pass accuracy, shot accuracy, etc...? we have people that claim they want defense to be a skilled position yet we dont want to give them any of the tools that would push the game that route? We want defense to have a higher skill gap but we keep insisting that we need to be able to intercept every pass ever and that we shouldnt be allowed to skate or truly utilize our body position in a physical manner?
breaking down a simple 1v1 like this into rewarding outcomes for both sides is paramount!! this needs to be in a good place before we start balancing other things..we still do not have prper or expected 1v1 outcomes!!!
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It looks like you're hitting the stick instead of the puck. It also looks like DSS might be engaged with the stick sweeping from outside in. I regular poke may have targeted the puck better. In this case, a hit would have probably stopped this play instead.
You are completely missing the point and the forward should lose the puck in that situation 10 out of 10 times. Just because we are good at D does not mean we get to ignore the problems at hand. Also I would not be throwing open ice hits in this game because a lot of times that will leave you out of position. Lets think about this for a moment. This is a 1 on 1 situation in relative open ice. Now ask yourself did the forward make any type of deke move, protect puck move, or anything to avoid getting the puck poked off their stick? Simply put the offensive player skated into a poke check. The poke check should have knocked the puck away. The forward was rewarded for skating into a poke check.
Now I play defense just like you do and in this situation i would NOT have gone for the hit. I would've done a more controlled poke standing still rather than skating fast and then poking. That still doesn't change the fact that the game mechanics are off. If a forward can just skate directly into a poke check and not lose the puck easily then something is wrong with the game.
In all reality what should happen there is that the D man should simply strip the puck while the forward falls behind the D man for skating the puck into traffic and then the D man skates the other way. The forward should be punished for making a BAD decision. The forward should've dumped the puck or passed back to restart the rush.
This is a core problem in the game right now. Why is it that this defenseman has to be make an absolute perfect move but the forward can just skate into a straight line with no move and keep the puck? This is why more people choose to play offense.
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:You are completely missing the point and the forward should lose the puck in that situation 10 out of 10 times.
He did. Defender overcomitted while skating and couldn't pick it up
@Jammalammalam wrote:
You're trying to poke the puck off of a player skating at you, while you're skating at them. You knocked the puck loose, but because you overcommitted in your skating, you had zero ability to pick it up.
This should've been a body check and/or a backskate to angle the puck carrier off into the boards.
The forward also skated straight into the defender so the defender should’ve came in contact with the puck. You should be able to skate straight at the forward and take it instead of having to do a hit or conservative poke. You shouldn’t have to do all those things you mentioned when it’s the forward who messed up not the defense,
and the poke should’ve jarred it loose, the forward overskated and didn’t make any move to protect the puck from being taken.
@Jammalammalam wrote:LoL. That was a rant and a half, wasn't it? I'm sorry guys, but can you imagine if they took the effort that went into creating a whole chel store, chel coins, and HUT money into actual gameplay features and additions before the release of the game?
Instead, as a defenseman, I get to enjoy this happening over and over and over and over. Gold Stick 'Em Up with a 90+ Stick Checking gets you absolute nothing. I'm trying to abuse the Hip-Check, but with this happening, what other options do I have? Can't really hit regular because that barely works since I have to have my speed/accel at 92 just to catch the speedy wingers. I'm not saying poke should always work, but my goodness, the forwards don't have to do anything but keep skating like the D isn't even there.
I’ll give my 2 cents here on that play. We have to keep in mind that we don’t have the whole situation of the context of the game and this is only a 3-4 seconds clip.
But from what we can see quickly, is that it was a bad play on both sides. That the end result went on the attacking player's favour. Cause of forward momentum like @KidShowtime1867 said. The puck got barely touched and it was unfortunate result for the D.
ATTACKING PLAYER: Played that very poorly. How can you speed down the wing like this near the board, going in a traffic area, without:
- Protecting the puck.
- Passing before getting hammered or stripped out.
- Dumping the puck in.
He looked clueless TBH !
DEFENDING PLAYER: Like I said, we don’t have the full context. Was there 20 seconds left in the game and it was all or nothing play ? Because, no offense @Jammalammalam but that play looked desperate 😉😂
In that situation, I would play like this:
- I would be way more patient a back up a bit, because you seemed outnumbered and I don’t think you have backup if he passes you by 🤔
- I would not hug the board. I would put myself between the guy that comes in and his teammate. Or even more on his teammate side and wait for his move.
- As a DMEN here, there’s no play to be done here along the board. More often than not, it’s gonna end bad.
Like I said that’s just my 2 cents, take it for what is worth 😀
Are we back to offense-defending here again?
It's funny that skill gap keeps coming up. Is there really skill In the example I gave, because it's so common for players to skate as fast as they can in a single straight line and the chances they regain the puck and/or the physics simply working in favor of giving the rushing team the puck back?
I mean, I know how we got here. Years and years of nerfing the defensive aspects of the game. They nerfed poke to take more tripping penalties. Then they thought that defense was too fast in keeping up with speedy forwards, so they nerfed the speed of the player when you poke. Then they went farther and said that you need to turn as if you were in sand when you pivot to keep up with those 93 Speed players. Oh wait, there's more. Then last year the stick-lift became almost an auto-penalty. This year EA has given us the gift of a stamina leeching meter that will take your stamina even if you're standing still, and all the opposing team has to do is put shots on net until your goalie is having a cardiac arrest. It's almost impossible to recover the puck because you can't move, pass the speed of a snail, and skate right over pucks in front of you when you're right "full pressure". How about we throw in the nerfing of zone clears as well. Trust me, I know where the skill gap is in this game when it comes to 6v6 play.
Anyway, do I really need to post 20 examples of forwards skating right into my body and maintaining puck possession? Do I really need to post 20 examples of forwards skating right at me that I challenge with 91 Stick Checking / Gold Stick 'Em Up only to have the puck and player magically go by me like I'm not even there? Do I really need to post 20 examples of forcing the offense to the boards to await a boarding, slashing, or my personal favorite, the player with the puck spinning away perfectly while hugging the boards and maintaining full position while I skate right by?
Because I will clog this thread up with gifs if you really want me to for sure.
@Jammalammalam wrote:Are we back to offense-defending here again?
It's funny that skill gap keeps coming up. Is there really skill In the example I gave, because it's so common for players to skate as fast as they can in a single straight line and the chances they regain the puck and/or the physics simply working in favor of giving the rushing team the puck back?
I don’t know if that part of the post was directed at me ? Because I was the last one to comment on the clip ? Anyway, I’ve clearly said that the attacking player was clueless…
ATTACKING PLAYER: Played that very poorly. How can you speed down the wing like this near the board, going in a traffic area, without:
- Protecting the puck.
- Passing before getting hammered or stripped out.
- Dumping the puck in.
He looked clueless TBH !
Again, maybe I’m not the best guy to comment on ONLINE 6's or whatever mode, cause I never play online, but that was a bad hockey play nonetheless.
