You are completely missing the point and the forward should lose the puck in that situation 10 out of 10 times. Just because we are good at D does not mean we get to ignore the problems at hand. Also I would not be throwing open ice hits in this game because a lot of times that will leave you out of position. Lets think about this for a moment. This is a 1 on 1 situation in relative open ice. Now ask yourself did the forward make any type of deke move, protect puck move, or anything to avoid getting the puck poked off their stick? Simply put the offensive player skated into a poke check. The poke check should have knocked the puck away. The forward was rewarded for skating into a poke check.
Now I play defense just like you do and in this situation i would NOT have gone for the hit. I would've done a more controlled poke standing still rather than skating fast and then poking. That still doesn't change the fact that the game mechanics are off. If a forward can just skate directly into a poke check and not lose the puck easily then something is wrong with the game.
In all reality what should happen there is that the D man should simply strip the puck while the forward falls behind the D man for skating the puck into traffic and then the D man skates the other way. The forward should be punished for making a BAD decision. The forward should've dumped the puck or passed back to restart the rush.
This is a core problem in the game right now. Why is it that this defenseman has to be make an absolute perfect move but the forward can just skate into a straight line with no move and keep the puck? This is why more people choose to play offense.
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:You are completely missing the point and the forward should lose the puck in that situation 10 out of 10 times.
He did. Defender overcomitted while skating and couldn't pick it up
Well yeah if someone is skating at me I shouldn’t have to hit or skate back and hope the poke check works. I’m telling you this is what needs to be fixed. If a forward skates into me and I have high d awareness my guy should skate and take the puck or the poke check there should’ve jarred it loose and then the team would have a transition play.
I see it all the time in real Games. Instead of dumping the puck the team tries to force it in and it’s easy to strip the puck and go the other way.. but for some reason in this game you have to do a a precise move on defense. Overskate or underskate it shouldn’t matter. The player should be able to pick that puck up and make contact I would think? Otherwise teams can just force every play.
I just still don’t understand why the game is so forgiving to offense but do unforgiving to defense. I guess that’s my main point. Why should it be hard to dump the puck? Why should it be hard to take the puck? Why does the game have to be harder than it should be. I shouldn’t have to compensate and play conservative on that play with it’s the forward who was too aggressive.
i dunno. Maybe I’m just crazy but you have to admit there should’ve been more of a collision with the puck there
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:Well yeah if someone is skating at me I shouldn’t have to hit or skate back and hope the poke check works. I’m telling you this is what needs to be fixed. If a forward skates into me and I have high d awareness my guy should skate and take the puck or the poke check there should’ve jarred it loose and then the team would have a transition play.
I see it all the time in real Games. Instead of dumping the puck the team tries to force it in and it’s easy to strip the puck and go the other way.. but for some reason in this game you have to do a a precise move on defense. Overskate or underskate it shouldn’t matter. The player should be able to pick that puck up and make contact I would think? Otherwise teams can just force every play.
I just still don’t understand why the game is so forgiving to offense but do unforgiving to defense. I guess that’s my main point. Why should it be hard to dump the puck? Why should it be hard to take the puck? Why does the game have to be harder than it should be. I shouldn’t have to compensate and play conservative on that play with it’s the forward who was too aggressive.
i dunno. Maybe I’m just crazy but you have to admit there should’ve been more of a collision with the puck there
No you're not crazy at all. the offense is completely handheld while the defense requires absolute mastery of all the game mechanics to put themselves in the best spot to not get beat.
the lack of low-speed hitting and incidental contact makes defense that much harder and that much farther away from real hockey and real positioning...everything about this game is so passive and about getting an auto interception....which again passive defense isnt a thing you see in high-level hockey when players have stamina and auto interceptions arent what id consider a skilled play from a video game perspective so im not sure why we keep going to the route of 900 mph passes and auto intercepts when we have the tuners and sliders to take a more skilled and manual approach to this game without removing too much aaccessibility
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:Well yeah if someone is skating at me I shouldn’t have to hit or skate back and hope the poke check works.
If someone is skating at you, and you're skating at them - what do expect to happen when you hit poke check? In this specific scenario, you've got two forwards entering the zone and you decide to skate directly at one of them.
You hit poke check and knocked the puck loose. That's what should've happened based on your actions.
What you should've been doing was either committing to the body check or skating backwards and angling the puck carrier off to the boards, a very basic fundamental defensive play that any player of any level understands. If you ever had a coach in real hockey tell you "skate directly at the puck carrier who is skating directly at you and just try to knock the puck off his stick with a poke check" - get your money back.
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:If a forward skates into me and I have high d awareness my guy should skate and take the puck or the poke check there should’ve jarred it loose and then the team would have a transition play.
The forward skated into you, but you also skated into them. The puck came loose. But because you were skating away from the loose puck and the puck carrier was skating towards the loose puck, they got possession.
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:Overskate or underskate it shouldn’t matter.
It absolutely should matter! You're responsible for what your player does. Attributes can improve your success-rate in any given scenario depending on the attributes themselves, but trying to claim that being responsible for your player's speed and skating "shouldn't matter" is just wrong.
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:I just still don’t understand why the game is so forgiving to offense but do unforgiving to defense
I agree with this, but defending is a skill that needs to be practiced. From my experience, many people do not defend properly. They want to mash poke check, rush body checks and generally pull players out of position trying to chase the puck carrier, getting unsatisfactory results and then blaming the game for it.
@TasteofChicago91 wrote: The player should be able to pick that puck up and make contact I would think?
The exact moment you knock the puck loose, it is in between your feet and actively moving away from your stick, while simultaneously, you are skating AWAY from it. Why should you have obtained possession of this puck?
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:i dunno. Maybe I’m just crazy but you have to admit there should’ve been more of a collision with the puck there
You're not crazy. I just think this specific scenario played out the way it did because you overcommitted with your skating and made a poor defensive decision. I'm not attacking you, making fun of you or mean no offense whatsoever. I'm just pointing out what you could've done better so that you experience this less.
I get your points but if defenseman have to play the position then so should forwards too. If you’re going to hold a defender to that same standard then let’s also hold the forward to the standard too. So going forward we need to see forwards play their positions properly as well.
I guess it’s ok to skate out of control as a forward but as a defender you have to skate in control, Angle your guy correctly, etc etc but you can skate straight into someone and still keep the puck. I understand defense is a skill and I understand that this defender could’ve done things better..
BUT what did the forward do to avoid losing the puck as well? Didn’t do puck control, didn’t deke, didn’t move the puck away..
it’s a double standard. And this isn’t me in the video. I take great pride in playing defense well and understand the good d men are sought after.. but at some point you kinda get sick and tired of having to be perfect when the offense can get away with so much. Defense should take skill/smarts/IQ but so should offense.
ok im not that mad I swear. I just don’t understand some of the logic/balance in these games sometimes
