@TasteofChicago91 wrote:If you’re going to hold a defender to that same standard then let’s also hold the forward to the standard too. So going forward we need to see forwards play their positions properly as well.
Forwards do have to play their positions. I don't understand this idea that people carrying the puck have carte blanche over all areas of the ice. If that's your experience, then you're just not utilizing the defensive mechanics at your disposal in an effective way.
Defence will always be more difficult than offense. That's the nature of the sport. Defence requires constant attention to detail of where everyone is. Knowing when to be agressive and when not to be. As evidenced in the video in this thread, you're going to pay big prices for defensive failures. That's the way it is in real hockey as well and I don't understand why people think EA's game should deviate from that reality just to give some feeling of 'balance' to people who just aren't good at the other half of the game (defending).
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:I guess it’s ok to skate out of control as a forward but as a defender you have to skate in control, Angle your guy correctly, etc etc but you can skate straight into someone and still keep the puck.
It's NOT okay to skate out of control as a puck carrier/forward. It effects your pass accuracy, agility, shot accuracy/power, etc. As evidenced in the clip posted here, the forward is skating at full speed and loses the puck on the poke check. But because the defender made a terrible play (skating OUT of the D-Zone, directly at a puck carrier while bursting with speed and holding DSS) and the puck maintained its trajectory after being dislodged, the forward skating in the direction of the puck came out on top.
Again, had the defender maintained proper positioning and angled the player off to the boards and/or utilized a body check rather than just skating directly at the puck carrier and hitting poke check, we wouldn't even be discussing this.
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:BUT what did the forward do to avoid losing the puck as well? Didn’t do puck control, didn’t deke, didn’t move the puck away..
Because of the major failure of the defender, the puck carrier simply needed to take a slight step to their right - they avoided contact with the defender who was wildly out of position, and was able to maintain their direction of skating to obtain the puck that was knocked loose.
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:it’s a double standard. And this isn’t me in the video. I take great pride in playing defense well and understand the good d men are sought after.. but at some point you kinda get sick and tired of having to be perfect when the offense can get away with so much. Defense should take skill/smarts/IQ but so should offense.
You're absolutely right. However, the play in the clip made by the defender was a massive mistake. You can't skate directly at a puck carrier (who has 2-3 available pass options) while hitting poke check/DSS and expect the outcome to be in your favor. Chances are, this aggressive style of defending has worked for you before and you expect it to work out that way every time, but I'm telling you - you'll be far more effective defensively by not skating directly at the puck carrier. Let them come to you and force them to make a move.
You may think skating right at a puck carrer with a poke check would 'force' them to make evasive moves, but that just makes it easier on the puck carrier.
@KidShowtime18670 XP on every comment you post trying to defend these unrealistic looking sequences and still clearly missing the big picture?
You're the only one (or one of the very few) who believes it's fun and realistic to skate and pass through people and to get rewarded offensively for playing in the most basic and dumb, straightforward way possible. Everyone else seems to agree that we'd like an actual HOCKEY videogame, with balance and basic defensive tools that actually work.
I have full confidence in EA that they'll patch this game into something that makes sense. Those who like this crap so much, should probably go rack up the wins forcing passes and hustling in straight line and enjoy it while it lasts instead of wasting time here. Most likely, soon theyll have to go back to 3s Eliminator where the experience they're after belongs.
@couture2fat2fly wrote:@KidShowtime18670 XP on every comment you post trying to defend these unrealistic looking sequences and still clearly missing the big picture?
Luckily for me, I don't put too much value in how many 'Xp' my posts get. You have to understand most people (not all) come here to cope and rage after something in the game doesn't go their way. When these people post gifs/videos showing things playing out that don't exactly match up with the story they're telling, I'm gonna call it out. People don't like it. Aw well. That's too bad. I'll continue having fun, finding small successes here and there and sharing my knowledge here with those who are willing to listen.
I understand people don't like it but it is what it is.
@couture2fat2fly wrote:
You're the only one (or one of the very few) who believes it's fun and realistic to skate and pass through people and to get rewarded offensively for playing in the most basic and dumb, straightforward way possible. Everyone else seems to agree that we'd like an actual HOCKEY videogame, with balance and basic defensive tools that actually work.
I don't think this at all and the defensive tools do work, if you use them correctly 😉
@couture2fat2fly wrote:
I have full confidence in EA that they'll patch this game into something that makes sense. Those who like this crap so much, should probably go rack up the wins forcing passes and hustling in straight line and enjoy it while it lasts instead of wasting time here. Most likely, soon theyll have to go back to 3s Eliminator where the experience they're after belongs.
The defender in this clip was hustling in a straight line mashing poke check. They knocked the puck loose, but obviously they simply expected to obtain possession, forgetting the puck retains its trajectory. It was a bad defensive play. End of story.
