Are we back to offense-defending here again?
It's funny that skill gap keeps coming up. Is there really skill In the example I gave, because it's so common for players to skate as fast as they can in a single straight line and the chances they regain the puck and/or the physics simply working in favor of giving the rushing team the puck back?
I mean, I know how we got here. Years and years of nerfing the defensive aspects of the game. They nerfed poke to take more tripping penalties. Then they thought that defense was too fast in keeping up with speedy forwards, so they nerfed the speed of the player when you poke. Then they went farther and said that you need to turn as if you were in sand when you pivot to keep up with those 93 Speed players. Oh wait, there's more. Then last year the stick-lift became almost an auto-penalty. This year EA has given us the gift of a stamina leeching meter that will take your stamina even if you're standing still, and all the opposing team has to do is put shots on net until your goalie is having a cardiac arrest. It's almost impossible to recover the puck because you can't move, pass the speed of a snail, and skate right over pucks in front of you when you're right "full pressure". How about we throw in the nerfing of zone clears as well. Trust me, I know where the skill gap is in this game when it comes to 6v6 play.
Anyway, do I really need to post 20 examples of forwards skating right into my body and maintaining puck possession? Do I really need to post 20 examples of forwards skating right at me that I challenge with 91 Stick Checking / Gold Stick 'Em Up only to have the puck and player magically go by me like I'm not even there? Do I really need to post 20 examples of forcing the offense to the boards to await a boarding, slashing, or my personal favorite, the player with the puck spinning away perfectly while hugging the boards and maintaining full position while I skate right by?
Because I will clog this thread up with gifs if you really want me to for sure.
@Jammalammalam wrote:Are we back to offense-defending here again?
It's funny that skill gap keeps coming up. Is there really skill In the example I gave, because it's so common for players to skate as fast as they can in a single straight line and the chances they regain the puck and/or the physics simply working in favor of giving the rushing team the puck back?
I don’t know if that part of the post was directed at me ? Because I was the last one to comment on the clip ? Anyway, I’ve clearly said that the attacking player was clueless…
ATTACKING PLAYER: Played that very poorly. How can you speed down the wing like this near the board, going in a traffic area, without:
- Protecting the puck.
- Passing before getting hammered or stripped out.
- Dumping the puck in.
He looked clueless TBH !
Again, maybe I’m not the best guy to comment on ONLINE 6's or whatever mode, cause I never play online, but that was a bad hockey play nonetheless.
@KlariskraysNHL wrote:
@PernellKarl027I've almost given up giving my 2 cents on the play. If it isn't what they want to hear they just get angry. I try my best to explain why things happened because of how the game actually works and not how real life works because we're playing the video game and it is what it is.
Yes some things at times don't make good sense and you just have to say it's RNG at its finest.
Cause to me that video. You should be checking if you are lined up like that. If you were trying to play the puck you'd have been better off angling them towards the boards and squeezing them out of the play and poking.
I think its healthy to remember that disagreements arent necessarily "anger" here. I think a play like this, one where neither side of the puck can honestly say they played right (again, I think the defense has more of a case if we had to pick a "winner" of skill, play reading, wahtever you want to call it) is being amplified by the general reward/feeback loop of the game that sees perfection required by defenders for a positive play whereas offensive players can do 0% of a play right and have success.
Again, this is why I keep aying we need to balance this game from a 1v1 perspective (like 1 on 1, no other players...so not HUT, hnot VS, but open sakte 1v1) when it comes to speed, acceleration, agility, puck control puck pickups, incidiental contact, checking, etc because the imbalances there lead to bandaids elsewhere which lead to drastically different perceptions and experiences when playing this game.
at the end of the day, the offense did literally nothing right and recieved a reward. Chalk it up to a bad bounce in this parituclar scenario, but similar plays/scenarios where defensemen are doing things 80-90% properly are still not seeing mostly positive results which leads to these huge community divides.
We also again have game speed and passing speed and pass receptions at a place where defenders are basically being asked to sit back, be passive, and do literally nothing unless the 100% perfect scneario presents itself for you to actually take an active role in the play which is so boring and lame and unskilled. And because we ask our D to be super passive and disengaged essentially, we can only expect for those same D to ask that if they do make 80-90% correct decisions that they be rewarded properly since anything below that is a sure goal/penalty.
It's not a healthy nor rewarding nor skillful balance right now and hasnt been for years. its years of frustration, its years of being told "perfect or expect a goal" while their forward counterparts are mashing LS, holding RT for 10 seconds while spinning around with LT and RS engaged and making 800 mph backhand passes whenever they feel like. This is not balance and it needs to change.
@couture2fat2flyThis is my thoughts exactly. What I take issue with is people telling me I'm "wrong" for doing "X" play and you have no idea the context of the game, the type of opponents I'm playing against, and what's going on across the entire ice in the clip's span of 40 seconds with one angle.
Again, if you have more wins than I have, play the same game modes as much as I do, have a better +/- and your 6's team is better than mine, by all means tell me exactly what you'd do and what I did wrong because I can certainly learn from you, otherwise I don't want to hear why you think I made the wrong decision. What I'm trying to bring up is why I'm getting punished for a player skating right at me and neither the poke nor my body right in front of him is any deterrence for him skating right at me as fast as he possibly can.
However, the problem we run into here on the forums is that you have HUT players telling people mechanics like Hip-Check is fine and dandy, but in 6's it's being abused so much that EA seems like they're planning to do something about it. Then there's people saying that we should break down plays on a 1v1 basis. Why should we break down plays on a 1v1 basis and limit the lens to just two players in a 6's game?? News flash. The reason I didn't clobber some guy on the blue line with a hit in a 1v1 situation on most occasions is because there's two other guys right behind or right next to him that are just going to pick the puck up after the hit while I take myself out of the play.
