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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:@thebrazenhead75 Let's break this down.
First, you post this:
@thebrazenhead75 wrote:Now show a video of being able to do a flip dump on your back hand after your C wins the face off to you as a Dman that clears the zone in an EASHL 6’s game.
Here is a video of me doing a flip dump on my back hand after my C won a faceoff to me as a d-Man that clears the zone in an EASHL 6's game:
Then, you move the goal posts:
@thebrazenhead75 wrote:
Not what I asked for.Faceoff in your zone, quick backhand flip from the corner straight up the boards and over the blue line.
Here's a video of me of me doing a quick forehand flip from the corner, straight up the boards and over the blue line.
Now, you're going to get all picky about this not being a backhand - I am rarely trying to clear the zone on my backhand as a defender because that's not a play that I would consider a good one. I'm also always playing LD, so putting the puck on my backhand as a right-handed LD to clear the puck up my side (left) is not ideal. Also, a faceoff in this hypothetical is irrelevant.
So then we arrive here:
@thebrazenhead75 wrote:Yet, you have failed to provide an example of you executing it. So until you post a video you executing the play I’ve explained in great detail then no you haven’t.I've literally provided countless examples of me executing all kinds of dumps and clears, a few of which pertain to the exact situation you described initially and then subsequently changed as you were shown it's still accessible with some skill.
Obviously you’re not getting it.
I don’t need to be shown how to do something I can already do! I’ve already told you I can do the backhand and forehand flips shown in your clips. So why would I keep asking for you to perform a flip dump in a specific well explained situation? Think about it. It’s because there is a difference! I haven’t changed it and have explained it in great detail a few times.
The face off is crucial in this hypothetical situation. The face off on the PK in my zone is the reason why I would attempt this particular flip dump. I’m PRIMARILY attempting this dump on the PK after a FO in my zone because it was the most effective and efficient way to clear the zone. But now you think I want to be able to do it so I can exploit a play springing my winger for a breakaway. 😏 Which btw was also a common play a lot of people did but it was easily stopped too so it wasn’t an exploitable play. Once again, I’m a 10 year EASHL veteran. I’m skilled and good enough at this game that I don’t need a so called “exploit”.
I don’t NEED the backhand high flip dump either because I’m skilled and good enough to clear the zone on PK’s other ways so yes I have “adapted”. I do WANT it back because it is a common, effective and efficient way to clear the zone as done in real life. That is the difference.
Clearing your zone on your backhand you don’t consider a “good play” or “ideal”?
It’s actually a better option especially if you’re playing as a right handed LD or in my case a left handed RD. When you go to your backhand you’re shielding the puck from an opposing player thus making it easier to backhand flipping it out. There is a reason why a lot of players use to puck protect and/rag it on their back hand.
Also in your first clip dumping it diagonally to the right corner isn’t a good play at all. The opposing C could’ve intercepted it for a breakaway and their LD was already back enough to retrieve it. You could’ve easily just dumped it to the left corner using your forehand or backhand without any potential risk of it being intercepted.
Back to the original and PRIMARY situation I’m talking about which is the PRIMARY reason why I would attempt this back hand flip dump. I wish I could draw you a picture to help you but unfortunately I’m not good at that so I’ll explain it yet again in the simplest terms.
Your team is on the PK.
They have 5 skaters.
Your team has 4 skaters.
The face off is in your zone.
The face off is in your bottom left corner.
You understand this so far?
You’re the LD (right handed).
You’re positioned directly behind your C at approximately the goal line.
Your C wins it straight back to you or in the corner.
What are your options to clear the zone most effectively and efficiently?
You can turn towards the boards, then skate and slap shot it behind your net and up the right boards. That’s one effective way.
You’re not going to chip it off the left boards on your forehand. The opposing RW is attacking you and can poke check you before you get the chance. Even if you get the puck past the RW their RD is right along the boards at the blue line waiting for the puck.
You’re not diagonally flipping it out the right side because the distance is even farther and the chance of it being intercepted is even greater.
Now what are your other options and especially if you and/or your teammates are fatigued and the other team has pressure?
You can rip a slapshot along the left boards. Ok, that could/would work.
You’re not skating it out. You’re too fatigued and outmanned.
You’re not likely to pass it to a teammate because they’re too fatigued and also out manned and covered.
Your best option as I’ve mentioned?
Backhand high flip straight up the left boards and over the blue line or even off the glass and out. This is the option I am discussing and want. Yet it has been nerfed to the point it isn’t possible or as effective as much anymore. So EA has just handicapped the most effective and efficient way to clear the zone. I don’t need to ask why.
Obviously, you cannot dump the puck out past the NZ from your own corner off a faceoff like you used to be able to. If you could, it would be too easy to relieve full pressure. That said, I'm having little trouble clearing the puck. Most of the time, I'll slap it around the boards. Often I find a teammate that has a more open lane to clear it. I can sometimes get it out the zone by dumping off the glass. There are numerous ways to clear the puck. It's not as easy as it used to be and that's the intent. A team skilled at moving the puck in their own zone is going to be able to clear it and remove that pressure.
Per usual, it sounds like people are complaining when something negatively affects them. Why aren't we hearing how frustrating it is tot engage pressure against your opponents and being able to keep the puck in their zone? They are bound by the same mechanics as everyone else. Just like a skilled team in their end is going to clear the puck, a skilled team on offense is going to gain full pressure and keep it.
We have heard the feedback. Repeatedly. Big changes have been made since launch based on that feedback that have severely made it harder to fill up the pressure meter. I think we have a pretty well balanced system for the current game. I most definitely was not a fan of it previously and I don't exactly love it now, but it does add a new skill based element that brings the need for a different kind of strategy. Something you didn't really have to even worry about before. This is a new element that shakes up the gameplay.
You guys claim we copy and past the game every year. We've added this new system and now it sounds like you actually want a copied and pasted game from years back. I get that the pressure system didn't hit the mark for many of you. Myself included. We've also seen a lot of claims that it's a good idea, but not well executed. Obviously, there's room for improvement. It's very possible changes will be made in the future based on the feedback you all have given us since launch.
I totally get it's frustrating not to be able to flip the puck more than halfway down the ice. Unfortunately, it doesn't play well with the new pressure system. Which, most likely isn't going anywhere anytime soon. So, rather than debate ad nauseum not being able to easily escape full pressure, maybe it would be good to pivot this discussion into tips on how you can use the current mechanics to make that happen?
- thebrazenhead7511 months agoSeasoned Adventurer
@EA_Aljo wrote:Obviously, you cannot dump the puck out past the NZ from your own corner off a faceoff like you used to be able to. If you could, it would be too easy to relieve full pressure. That said, I'm having little trouble clearing the puck. Most of the time, I'll slap it around the boards. Often I find a teammate that has a more open lane to clear it. I can sometimes get it out the zone by dumping off the glass. There are numerous ways to clear the puck. It's not as easy as it used to be and that's the intent. A team skilled at moving the puck in their own zone is going to be able to clear it and remove that pressure.
Per usual, it sounds like people are complaining when something negatively affects them. Why aren't we hearing how frustrating it is tot engage pressure against your opponents and being able to keep the puck in their zone? They are bound by the same mechanics as everyone else. Just like a skilled team in their end is going to clear the puck, a skilled team on offense is going to gain full pressure and keep it.
We have heard the feedback. Repeatedly. Big changes have been made since launch based on that feedback that have severely made it harder to fill up the pressure meter. I think we have a pretty well balanced system for the current game. I most definitely was not a fan of it previously and I don't exactly love it now, but it does add a new skill based element that brings the need for a different kind of strategy. Something you didn't really have to even worry about before. This is a new element that shakes up the gameplay.
You guys claim we copy and past the game every year. We've added this new system and now it sounds like you actually want a copied and pasted game from years back. I get that the pressure system didn't hit the mark for many of you. Myself included. We've also seen a lot of claims that it's a good idea, but not well executed. Obviously, there's room for improvement. It's very possible changes will be made in the future based on the feedback you all have given us since launch.
I totally get it's frustrating not to be able to flip the puck more than halfway down the ice. Unfortunately, it doesn't play well with the new pressure system. Which, most likely isn't going anywhere anytime soon. So, rather than debate ad nauseum not being able to easily escape full pressure, maybe it would be good to pivot this discussion into tips on how you can use the current mechanics to make that happen?Good points but those should not be reasons to nerfed and/or remove abilities in the game. Doing so to manipulate/force etc certain things to make their pressure system work better shouldn’t be a fix.
Again, I’m skilled and good enough and have adapted but sometimes I shouldn’t have to adapt to certain things like this.I use a Sniper build on D and can play great with it. I also score a lot of one timer bombs from the blue line and in using this build. I know a lot of great players that use a Puck Moving Dman on W. What’s next, EA restrictions on only certain builds can be used for certain positions?
- KlariskraysNHL11 months agoHero@thebrazenhead75 Yeah I have asked for years to ban the use of forwards on defense and defense on offense because it speaks volumes on imbalance if a defensive build is more useful than the forward builds. It says to me the defensive builds need nerfed down in offensive ability regardless if they are designed for offense and the forward builds need nerfed further in the defensive areas so they aren't used on defense.
- thebrazenhead7511 months agoSeasoned Adventurer
@KlariskraysNHL wrote:
@thebrazenhead75Yeah I have asked for years to ban the use of forwards on defense and defense on offense because it speaks volumes on imbalance if a defensive build is more useful than the forward builds. It says to me the defensive builds need nerfed down in offensive ability regardless if they are designed for offense and the forward builds need nerfed further in the defensive areas so they aren't used on defense.I’m glad you’re not in charge then.
Im better than average at this game and if I can use a Sniper build than most players using a defensive build on D then so be it. I already have certain defensive limitations using a Sniper build but I can balance it out in other areas. That’s why we have the capability to tweak certain builds certain ways.
EA already took away full customization. So then I used what was given to me. Now that I can make that build work for me you want them to not allow me to use it for D?! 😏
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