Nhl 24 the game for everyone and anyone.

@thebrazenhead75 

I'll clarify. You can't do a high flip dump from deep within your own zone and have it land in the NZ. However, if done at the right time, you can flip the puck from the same location and have it land close enough to the blue line to cross it. At that point, with enough pressure, you can prevent opposing players from getting back in your zone so that pressure is reset.

Again, this has been discussed since day one. We have more than enough feedback on it. You're welcome to continue the discussion, but there are no changes coming to this for NHL 24. If you just need to vent, have at it, but of course, keep the rules in mind.

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@thebrazenhead75 wrote:

That is still the high flip dump I’m taking about. 

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I have a great idea: Head over to YouTube or another service you might use to watch game replays. Find a clip or two of a team in the NHL flipping the puck from their own corner and into the neutral zone that springs a winger for a breakout. 

If you can show a real-world example of this precise exact flip dump that you insist needs to be buffed in-game, then we might be getting somewhere. 

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@thebrazenhead75 wrote:

That is still the high flip dump I’m taking about. 

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I have a great idea: Head over to YouTube or another service you might use to watch game replays. Find a clip or two of a team in the NHL flipping the puck from their own corner and into the neutral zone that springs a winger for a breakout. 

If you can show a real-world example of this precise exact flip dump that you insist needs to be buffed in-game, then we might be getting somewhere. 

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Example 1 

Obviously these are not from the corner, but almost all of them show a flip with more velocity than what you have shown in your videos.

Example 2 

Example 3 

Example 4 

Example 5 

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@Beauts90 wrote:

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@thebrazenhead75 wrote:

That is still the high flip dump I’m taking about. 

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I have a great idea: Head over to YouTube or another service you might use to watch game replays. Find a clip or two of a team in the NHL flipping the puck from their own corner and into the neutral zone that springs a winger for a breakout. 

If you can show a real-world example of this precise exact flip dump that you insist needs to be buffed in-game, then we might be getting somewhere. 

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Example 1 

Obviously these are not from the corner, but almost all of them show a flip with more velocity than what you have shown in your videos.

Example 2 

Example 3 

Example 4 

Example 5 

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Thank you for providing the videos.  

They’re obviously not from the exact situation where I personally would use it but if it can be done in the 5 examples you’ve provide then they could and have be done in the exact situation I use to do them.  

EA_Aljo has already admitted they removed this ability to help their pressure system work as they want. 

That just proves how they manipulate and dumb down the game to cater to what they want and not necessarily what the majority wants.  They’ll claim that’s the “feedback” they got to change and eliminate certain things but their reputation doesn’t help their cause. 

EA’s track record proves that!

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@EA_Aljo wrote:

@thebrazenhead75 

I'll clarify. You can't do a high flip dump from deep within your own zone and have it land in the NZ. However, if done at the right time, you can flip the puck from the same location and have it land close enough to the blue line to cross it. At that point, with enough pressure, you can prevent opposing players from getting back in your zone so that pressure is reset.

Again, this has been discussed since day one. We have more than enough feedback on it. You're welcome to continue the discussion, but there are no changes coming to this for NHL 24. If you just need to vent, have at it, but of course, keep the rules in mind.

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@EA_Aljo 

If the puck flip is remaining as is, will the AI at least be retrained on how to clear pucks on the PK?  I'm so sick of watching the AI try to flip the puck out of zone on the PK and failing because it doesn't know that it can't flip the puck as high as it used to.

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@Beauts90 wrote:

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@thebrazenhead75 wrote:

That is still the high flip dump I’m taking about. 

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I have a great idea: Head over to YouTube or another service you might use to watch game replays. Find a clip or two of a team in the NHL flipping the puck from their own corner and into the neutral zone that springs a winger for a breakout. 

If you can show a real-world example of this precise exact flip dump that you insist needs to be buffed in-game, then we might be getting somewhere. 

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Example 1 

Obviously these are not from the corner, but almost all of them show a flip with more velocity than what you have shown in your videos.

Example 2 

Example 3 

Example 4 

Example 5 

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Like I said and what keeps getting ignored: the flip dump could use more velocity. I've posted clips of the current flip dump doing exactly what you see in these videos, but I'm still told it's "impossible" 

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@thebrazenhead75 wrote:

That just proves how they manipulate and dumb down the game to cater to what they want and not necessarily what the majority wants.  They’ll claim that’s the “feedback” they got to change and eliminate certain things but their reputation doesn’t help their cause. 

EA’s track record proves that!

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I think you're exaggerating just a tad here. We introduced a new mechanic to the game and adjusted the dump to support it. We have received a huge amount of feedback saying the game never changes, it's copied and pasted, etc. Of course we're going to make changes. Sometimes that means removing previous features or making changes to them. It's certainly possible the feedback we get here will cause further changes in future games. We have been listening and acting on that input. In the meantime, I recommend adapting and using any of the other numerous ways to clear the zone. I know that's more challenging now, but as discussed in this thread, it's far from impossible.

@llamaverox 

I think realism being fun is debatable. We've made more realistic changes that weren't well received. Removing the speed boost with hitting this year, raising the likelihood of a tripping call a few years back. Even the pre-made builds we had in EASHL previously could be seen as more realistic. Regardless, I get what you're saying and I'm not debating the lack of realism with this mechanic. I'm just making the point that clearing the puck is far from impossible.

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@Beauts90 wrote:

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@thebrazenhead75 wrote:

That is still the high flip dump I’m taking about. 

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I have a great idea: Head over to YouTube or another service you might use to watch game replays. Find a clip or two of a team in the NHL flipping the puck from their own corner and into the neutral zone that springs a winger for a breakout. 

If you can show a real-world example of this precise exact flip dump that you insist needs to be buffed in-game, then we might be getting somewhere. 

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Example 1 

Obviously these are not from the corner, but almost all of them show a flip with more velocity than what you have shown in your videos.

Example 2 

Example 3 

Example 4 

Example 5 

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Like I said and what keeps getting ignored: the flip dump could use more velocity. I've posted clips of the current flip dump doing exactly what you see in these videos, but I'm still told it's "impossible" 

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Maybe it’s too early in the morning, so I can’t find all of your clips, but can you please repost the video of you doing EXACTLY what is shown in example 1?

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@Beauts90 wrote:

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@Beauts90 wrote:

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@thebrazenhead75 wrote:

That is still the high flip dump I’m taking about. 

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I have a great idea: Head over to YouTube or another service you might use to watch game replays. Find a clip or two of a team in the NHL flipping the puck from their own corner and into the neutral zone that springs a winger for a breakout. 

If you can show a real-world example of this precise exact flip dump that you insist needs to be buffed in-game, then we might be getting somewhere. 

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Example 1 

Obviously these are not from the corner, but almost all of them show a flip with more velocity than what you have shown in your videos.

Example 2 

Example 3 

Example 4 

Example 5 

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Like I said and what keeps getting ignored: the flip dump could use more velocity. I've posted clips of the current flip dump doing exactly what you see in these videos, but I'm still told it's "impossible" 

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Maybe it’s too early in the morning, so I can’t find all of your clips, but can you please repost the video of you doing EXACTLY what is shown in example 1?

 

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This banks off the glass, but I think we can agree we get the exact outcome:

There's no winger here for the breakout, but again - a flip dump up the side from in deep and out of the zone:

I'm slightly a little more up in the zone than Dillon:

Barron obtains the puck slightly before Dillon does:

But as you can see.. this is almost exactly identical with the differences being a bounce off the glass and the exact specific areas of the ice. 

At the end of the day, there's s claim that high flipping the dump is impossible. I'm saying and proving that it's not. Then the goalposts get changed to "you can't high flip from deep in your own end" and then I go ahead and prove that. Then it's "you can't high flip dump from deep in your own end on your backhand instantly after a faceoff win  to a winger streaking up the boards for a breakout" and then I go ahead and show how you can do exactly that. (albeit, omitting the faceoff win)

Then I ask for videos of IRL scenarios which was kindly provided. And those are great. They definitely show how velocity can be increased for sure. Something I was adamant about when this discussion first popped up back in November. 

So now I'm asked to recreate the exact specific scenario in one of the clips and aside from some positional differences and the fact the puck bounces off the glass - I've shown you can get the result that's being asked for in this thread: clear the zone, get a possible breakout.

What's next? "No that's not it. I'm talking about a high flip dump from behind your net, on your backhand, after a faceoff win in the 3rd period on Tuesday in July" ?

@KidShowtime1867 

What I believe is being requested is the old flip dump that went up much higher and didn't require banking off the glass. Where you could go from the corner to the opposite side of the ice and have the puck drop in the NZ. That just isn't possible currently.

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@EA_Aljo wrote:

@KidShowtime1867 

What I believe is being requested is the old flip dump that went up much higher and didn't require banking off the glass. Where you could go from the corner to the opposite side of the ice and have the puck drop in the NZ. That just isn't possible currently.

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I totally understand that and I don't deny that the old dump was higher. But you can achieve the exact same outcome with the tools currently in place, which some claim is impossible. 

@KidShowtime1867 

You and I have much different definitions of “exactly”. Absolutely no goal posts are being moved here, you just haven’t provided what was asked, you just showed a very different play with similar results, again not what I asked for.

Instead of always being right, you could easily say “that particular play is no longer achievable with the new nerf, if you want I can provide clips of some plays I’ve found to work.”

Respectfully, if I wanted tips and tricks on how to play the game, that’s what I would ask for. This would save so much of the back and forth arguments that get absolutely nowhere and end up being locked on this forum.

All I’m saying is if the game is going to remove realistic features from the game to support their arcade gimmicks, that’s all well in good, but I’m far from a competitive player and would stop playing the game before I force myself to “adapt” to play a style I don’t enjoy.

I’m adding my opinion on it because I’ve enjoyed this series over the years and just simply want to enjoy it again.

@llamaverox 

I wholeheartedly disagree with catering to casuals and streamers. You can look at the patch notes to see that the changes made were a direct reflection of the feedback we received here as well as from other social media platforms.

We want to make a game that appeals to as wide an audience as possible. That is what helps the game grow. Should that happen, it stands the chance of adding more resources behind development which, in turn, means bigger changes with each release. If we make a game that only satisfies the very small playerbase that wants a simulation style experience, it would be very possible this game would cease to exist.

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@MasterB89 wrote:
 They want you to have a higher chance of failing so the opposing team can utilize the pressure system more.

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This would imply that a flip dump is the only way to relieve pressure. Sauces, passes, bank passes, chips off the glass, flip dumps, carrying the puck with skill and precision...  All of those are viable options. 

@KidShowtime1867Not the only way but an easier and more efficient way. EA confirmed on here that it was removed cause it diminished the effectiveness of the pressure system. Hence why it would be removed. On the rare occasions I try to play NHL 24 now I have learned to use other methods to break out of the zone but under the pressure system the stamina loss doesnt warrant all you are mentioning depending on how long you are in it. 

@EA_AljoI just completely disagree with your assessment the reason pga tour 2k21 sold was because it was the dark souls of golf games I heard. "Man this game is tough" and went damn let me play it. They catered to the casual audience made 2k23 and the sales went down not up. A hardcore game like Elden ring made the most money ever for Fromsoftware. By not abandoning what got them there but opening up the systems that are still hardcore. EA and your assessment of the current games industry is just flat out wrong.

Let alone the fact EA made a golf game this very year that was more casual driven and it sold worse than the casual first 2k23 at what point is EA going to realize catering to everyone caters to no one?

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@MasterB89 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867Not the only way but an easier and more efficient way. EA confirmed on here that it was removed cause it diminished the effectiveness of the pressure system. Hence why it would be removed.

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I guess I'll just keep using this mechanic, that was apparently removed, to clear the zone and create breakouts for my wingers. Sorry ya'll have a hard time with it. Hopefully EA can buff it for you. 

@KidShowtime1867Then if that specific flip out was not removed or nerfed as you have stated please demonstrate it. I have not seen it yet through any of your clips? Taking personal shots at a person or player cause wr have an opinion on a play that has been confirmed removed is a bit odd.